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Old 02-27-2017 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterE
I believe it's a 93% pass rate now, down from 98% a few years ago. Many people are getting the go ahead that would've never been previously considered.

Recently the ERJ program switched to an AQP initial syllabus. The first class has faced a high failure rate (4 out of 16 crews finished without extra sims or failures, over half failed the LOE) according to a few instructors and someone actually in the class. Who knows the actual cause but I'm hesitant to blame the pilots. I'm sure this will be eventually corrected, shame for everyone subjected to the experiment.
What did they end up doing with the class? How disspiriting to the pilots, and the instructors as well.
Old 02-27-2017 | 04:57 AM
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Everyone gets worked up over stuff posted on here. Yes, November had a higher fail rait. Guuess what December was 100% pass.. Funny they say the class fails together or passes together... i heard the November class didn't realy click or get along.. no studying together.??. who knows..??..
Old 02-27-2017 | 05:43 AM
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My buddy was getting pretty excited talking about how bad the 175 program is right now.
I don't remember everything he said but mostly it seemed that the 175 training department is screwing up in about every way possible.

Examples like handing out the wrong forms and releases/clr then making the students redue their 1/2 days work. Something about the computer in the class room always crashing leaving the subject matter disjointed. Also apparently instructors were not always correct even on callouts.

I asked if he let them have it in the class eval, to which he said no because the evals got turned in to the instructor one at a time. Haha
Old 02-27-2017 | 05:50 AM
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Then that is a wasted opportunity for the company to get feedback on their instructors. The one getting the eval, in this case, should never see it first and it should be completely anonymous.
Old 02-27-2017 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hotbreeze
What did they end up doing with the class? How disspiriting to the pilots, and the instructors as well.
I believe a few are still trying to get into an LOE ride. The very next class in line saw some changes and should be hitting a check ride shortly.....
Old 02-27-2017 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
My buddy was getting pretty excited talking about how bad the 175 program is right now.
I don't remember everything he said but mostly it seemed that the 175 training department is screwing up in about every way possible.

Examples like handing out the wrong forms and releases/clr then making the students redue their 1/2 days work. Something about the computer in the class room always crashing leaving the subject matter disjointed. Also apparently instructors were not always correct even on callouts.

I asked if he let them have it in the class eval, to which he said no because the evals got turned in to the instructor one at a time. Haha
It seems to echo what was relayed to me.

Anyone who is an ERJ person should be able to follow this.

Apparently this class was initially (ground, matrix and FTD) shown how to operate 27.1. The only problem is the sims were 25.5. Instructors realized this was a mistake as later classes were taught 25.5 from the get go. I guess the matrix and FTD machines were unreliable, often times spending half a session restarting and setting up again. The syllabus was incomplete and skipped areas, with extra items being added to the MV that crews had never had the opportunity to train on. Many of the matrix and FTD instructors are very green as FO's, much less instructors. Non-standard, immature, constantly bragging about how many credit hours they were racking up is what I had heard. "FTD was a tremendous waste of time and resources" was the direct quote from a senior captain making the transition, one of the few who passed everything.... Hopefully it's a temporary thing because SKW training is better than this.
Old 02-27-2017 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
Hell a November class on the CRJ had 7 initial SV ground school failures. I think 5 passed the second attempt to keep going. These guys are putting their careers on the line because they read a gouge from their friend and trust it 100%. Then they change the written test and the failures sky rocket....when it's all the same systems!
^^^THIS

all the failures in my class were the ones that got the gouge and thought im good i dont need to study. study the material and use the gouge to reaffirm what you already should know.

On another note, can anyone break out the yearly earnings report? i read it but im just a dumb pilot, are we getting a profit sharing check or not?
Old 02-27-2017 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptSwift
Ya it's pretty vague during whatever orientation is... I found out pretty much all my impressions during orientation were wrong. Not so wrong that I'm ****ed, just wrong as it doesn't apply to me until year two.
Welcome to the jungle.......nothing is, as it appears......
Old 02-27-2017 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
If you can simply pay attention in class and give them 100% of your effort you will get through training. Cut corners, don't study, and go home every weekend (or more) and you'll probably struggle.

Hell a November class on the CRJ had 7 initial SV ground school failures. I think 5 passed the second attempt to keep going. These guys are putting their careers on the line because they read a gouge from their friend and trust it 100%. Then they change the written test and the failures sky rocket....when it's all the same systems!

Not sure what's up with all the recent ERJ failures but I can't imagine the quality of training is drastically different. Skywest wants you to pass. Could have had a bad patch of students honestly.
OK thanks won't be going home or partying. I left a good paying job so failure is not an option.
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Old 02-27-2017 | 12:25 PM
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You can go home and party and still pass with flying colors. The trick is to study when it's time to study.

If you've been to college (a real one, with girls) it is very simple training and you can absolutely party and go home.

If you haven't ever had on your own studying, then it takes some adjustment. But coming from a high paying job would lead me to believe you know how to study, so you'll be fine.

And believe me, this is "build the plane" Brasilia class I'm talking about. Crj is pretty easy in comparison.
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