Skywest v2.0
09-03-2017 | 06:37 AM
#8191
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From: CRJ FO
This is a joke right? Nobody seriously believes this will be adopted industry wide (outside of the regionals) do they?
I'll eat my words once this is common practice at the majors. But until then this is just a scheme for regionals to poach from other regionals. Nothing more than another giveaway of leverage that only benefits new hires, and a small sub-group of pilots already on property.
Where is the reward for the pilots who were smart and did their research and came to SkyWest FIRST?!?! as opposed to rewarding the regional hoppers who got burned chasing the quick upgrade.
I'll eat my words once this is common practice at the majors. But until then this is just a scheme for regionals to poach from other regionals. Nothing more than another giveaway of leverage that only benefits new hires, and a small sub-group of pilots already on property.
Where is the reward for the pilots who were smart and did their research and came to SkyWest FIRST?!?! as opposed to rewarding the regional hoppers who got burned chasing the quick upgrade.
09-03-2017 | 07:51 AM
#8192
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Why would you care if another pilot makes his pay in experience? You don't know what other people's situations were at the time. As long you get paid what you should be, I wouldn't worry about other pilots' paychecks. If someone goes from Kmart to Target but gets paid for their experience, what's the difference? Exactly what pilots got burned? Everyone else is still chugging along fine. If a fellow pilot needs to come over and make pay for his years of experience which would help support his family, then fine.
Because that money isn't free. It had to come from somewhere, and it didn't come out of the senior manager bonus budget, or the mini indy car budget...it came out of the pilot compensation budget, at the expense of other more senior pilots.
The policy doesn't even make a lot of sense to me, I think regional managers are confronted with an apparently insurmountable problem with long-term pilot recruiting and are trying to do anything at all just to appear to be doing something. IMO the money would be better spent on ab-initio style training programs...if the regionals pay for flight training, they can obligate the pilots to literally years of indentured service. Wealthy wannabe's might opt out to preserve their career flexibility, but many folks without means would jump on that.
You got that part right at least.
09-03-2017 | 08:11 AM
#8193
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From: 767A (Ret)
09-03-2017 | 08:54 AM
#8194
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From: Downward Dog
...we are all free-market capitalists until....
09-03-2017 | 03:54 PM
#8195
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From: ERJ CA
It's at the expense of shareholders, not more senior pilots. The pilot group chose to leave that money on the table when they voted in the last TA, and thus it was no longer part of the pilot compensation budget.
09-03-2017 | 04:32 PM
#8197
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Skywest v2.0
Because that money isn't free. It had to come from somewhere, and it didn't come out of the senior manager bonus budget, or the mini indy car budget...it came out of the pilot compensation budget, at the expense of other more senior pilots.
The policy doesn't even make a lot of sense to me, I think regional managers are confronted with an apparently insurmountable problem with long-term pilot recruiting and are trying to do anything at all just to appear to be doing something. IMO the money would be better spent on ab-initio style training programs...if the regionals pay for flight training, they can obligate the pilots to literally years of indentured service. Wealthy wannabe's might opt out to preserve their career flexibility, but many folks without means would jump on that.
The policy doesn't even make a lot of sense to me, I think regional managers are confronted with an apparently insurmountable problem with long-term pilot recruiting and are trying to do anything at all just to appear to be doing something. IMO the money would be better spent on ab-initio style training programs...if the regionals pay for flight training, they can obligate the pilots to literally years of indentured service. Wealthy wannabe's might opt out to preserve their career flexibility, but many folks without means would jump on that.
Imagine if all regionals had this? Then it would disincentivize the musical RJ scam. The next step would be portable seniority. If we had both across all regionals, it would almost neutralize whipsawing. This is exactly what the FFDWG was trying to do ten years ago. It's too bad it was abandoned before all this came to head again. The ab-initio idea would be worse for future pilots. So I'm all for some real or perceived short term sacrifice if the long play is ultimately better.
09-03-2017 | 07:00 PM
#8198
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Joined: Apr 2010
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Management is going to get their money and if they have to pay more to incoming employees they have to go to the bank for money. That bank is the current employees, through rates and work rules they get their money. I have noticed more and more a huge difference between our block and credit values. I recently flew a two day trip that had five legs and over an hour and half difference between block and credit.
There's your on tap bank money!
09-04-2017 | 03:13 AM
#8199
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Considering it's SkyWest's fault that ASA kept getting wound down to nothing it's the absolute least they can do to compensate them for the travesty. I can't speak for any of the other carriers in the longevity arrangements. Of it makes you guys feel any better most people I know in the industry are going to Endeavor and Envoy anyway.
09-04-2017 | 05:41 AM
#8200
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Considering it's SkyWest's fault that ASA kept getting wound down to nothing it's the absolute least they can do to compensate them for the travesty. I can't speak for any of the other carriers in the longevity arrangements. Of it makes you guys feel any better most people I know in the industry are going to Endeavor and Envoy anyway.
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