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Originally Posted by gojo
(Post 2444706)
Burning dumpster fire? Oh please enlighten me
IMO, he is poking fun at OO due to the career progression/pay at Envoy and the new proposed TA at 9E. |
Originally Posted by gojo
(Post 2444709)
You're supposed to be a smart pilot? Maybe do research before spewing nonsense. Is it true that Skywest just gets actual leg pay and not scheduled pay if it's greater?
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Originally Posted by gojo
(Post 2444709)
Is it true that Skywest just gets actual leg pay and not scheduled pay if it's greater?
No, that was mesa. |
So as every other regional continues to raise pay like Endeavor, OO slowly falls behind once again... I give it another 6 months assuming you guys do nothing regarding pay before we start seeing the kool aid at OO wear off and the new hires realize the middle to low market pay isn't worth flying an E jet over... I could be wrong but you guys have definitely had higher volume complaints regarding pay lately. If endeavor is doing what they are doing... so will other regionals. You guys clearly aren't the industry leaders anymore aside from filling classes. Don't get me wrong either, I wish you guys got way better pay so my place and everywhere else would follow along quicker than we all have.
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Originally Posted by OregonAviator
(Post 2444788)
So as every other regional continues to raise pay like Endeavor, OO slowly falls behind once again... I give it another 6 months assuming you guys do nothing regarding pay before we start seeing the kool aid at OO wear off and the new hires realize the middle to low market pay isn't worth flying an E jet over... I could be wrong but you guys have definitely had higher volume complaints regarding pay lately. If endeavor is doing what they are doing... so will other regionals. You guys clearly aren't the industry leaders anymore aside from filling classes. Don't get me wrong either, I wish you guys got way better pay so my place and everywhere else would follow along quicker than we all have.
The kool aid has already worn off.... Morale has never been lower. Every 4-day is a b****fest why the company sucks and we are all underpaid. Management had better wake up, because everyone will leave and there will be no one left. Ten pilots scrammed the day before yesterday in a single day. This kind of attrition has become the new norm after the TA. Cancellations across the system is typical. |
Originally Posted by sn00p
(Post 2444710)
I do not think he is being serious.
IMO, he is poking fun at OO due to the career progression/pay at Envoy and the new proposed TA at 9E. I was being facetious. Sarcasm is hard to decipher online, haha. The scary thing is though that we have half a Roman legion's worth of pilots here who reason in such fashion. It is only a matter of time before the AA wholly owneds copy what Endeavor is doing with their bonuses in order to compete for pilots. Once that happens, the SkyWest pilot payscale will be one of the lowest in the regional industry. What do you all reckon will happen thereafter? Management either raises pay for FOs and CAs or what is befalling Horizon will also engulf SkyWest as well. The reason for the early introduction of the beschissen TA is now clear to me. 1) Management and our supposed "representatives" SAPA come to the pilots for a new pay package one year early. From insider knowledge, they know that Endeavor is about to do away with the bonuses and incorporate them directly into their pilot payscale. The TA at 9E will pass most likely. This would give SKYW pilots leverage in 2018 after their then current (now defunct) pay agreement would have expired. So they come to us early and make it out as if they are doing us a favor by offering so-so millions of dollars in the pay package. They desperately fling as much lies and propaganda to us as possible about how our pay is industry leading (HA HA HA HA HA). 2)Unfortunately the pilot group at SKYW drinks so much kool aid and it is so bad at understanding the art of business negotiation that it votes yes to the pay package and foolishly locks us all into an utterly lamentable pay agreement that denigrates the whole of the airline pilot profession. I give them credit for their craftiness though. The 2017 TA was designed to split the pilot group by offering the old-timers higher 401k and incentives to the junior pilots with promises of more aircraft. People like me who are in the middle are shafted. Then again there was also a sizeable demographic that didn't vote (met one guy who didn't even know that the TA had passed >_> I didn't find him too intelligent anyway). I predict that in two years, management will be forced to raise pilot pay at SkyWest as other regionals mimic Endeavor's uppercut move with this new TA. I really have to commend Endeavor for holding the line for us all. With any luck this trend of increasing pay keeps up. DOWN WITH THE REGIONALS |
Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
(Post 2444815)
I was being facetious. Sarcasm is hard to decipher online, haha. The scary thing is though that we have half a Roman legion's worth of pilots here who reason in such fashion.
It is only a matter of time before the AA wholly owneds copy what Endeavor is doing with their bonuses in order to compete for pilots. Once that happens, the SkyWest pilot payscale will be one of the lowest in the regional industry. What do you all reckon will happen thereafter? Management either raises pay for FOs and CAs or what is befalling Horizon will also engulf SkyWest as well. The reason for the early introduction of the beschissen TA is now clear to me. 1) Management and our supposed "representatives" SAPA come to the pilots for a new pay package one year early. From insider knowledge, they know that Endeavor is about to do away with the bonuses and incorporate them directly into their pilot payscale. The TA at 9E will pass most likely. This would give SKYW pilots leverage in 2018 after their then current (now defunct) pay agreement would have expired. So they come to us early and make it out as if they are doing us a favor by offering so-so millions of dollars in the pay package. They desperately fling as much lies and propaganda to us as possible about how our pay is industry leading (HA HA HA HA HA). 2)Unfortunately the pilot group at SKYW drinks so much kool aid and it is so bad at understanding the art of business negotiation that it votes yes to the pay package and foolishly locks us all into an utterly lamentable pay agreement that denigrates the whole of the airline pilot profession. I give them credit for their craftiness though. The 2017 TA was designed to split the pilot group by offering the old-timers higher 401k and incentives to the junior pilots with promises of more aircraft. People like me who are in the middle are shafted. Then again there was also a sizeable demographic that didn't vote (met one guy who didn't even know that the TA had passed >_> I didn't find him too intelligent anyway). I predict that in two years, management will be forced to raise pilot pay at SkyWest as other regionals mimic Endeavor's uppercut move with this new TA. I really have to commend Endeavor for holding the line for us all. With any luck this trend of increasing pay keeps up. DOWN WITH THE REGIONALS |
Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
(Post 2444475)
Enough! We do not want a union at our airline. What is it that you do not understand? Relations between pilots and management is rather good. There will always be a disenfranchised element of our pilot group that comes to post negative sentiment on APC. You know who you are. You do not speak for the greater majority of us who wish to see further expansion of our airline and more aircraft at the cost of lower pay. Proud to be at SkyWest :cool: We truly are the best regional and our success speaks volumes about us.
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
(Post 2444815)
I was being facetious. Sarcasm is hard to decipher online, haha. The scary thing is though that we have half a Roman legion's worth of pilots here who reason in such fashion.
It is only a matter of time before the AA wholly owneds copy what Endeavor is doing with their bonuses in order to compete for pilots. Once that happens, the SkyWest pilot payscale will be one of the lowest in the regional industry. What do you all reckon will happen thereafter? Management either raises pay for FOs and CAs or what is befalling Horizon will also engulf SkyWest as well. The reason for the early introduction of the beschissen TA is now clear to me. 1) Management and our supposed "representatives" SAPA come to the pilots for a new pay package one year early. From insider knowledge, they know that Endeavor is about to do away with the bonuses and incorporate them directly into their pilot payscale. The TA at 9E will pass most likely. This would give SKYW pilots leverage in 2018 after their then current (now defunct) pay agreement would have expired. So they come to us early and make it out as if they are doing us a favor by offering so-so millions of dollars in the pay package. They desperately fling as much lies and propaganda to us as possible about how our pay is industry leading (HA HA HA HA HA). 2)Unfortunately the pilot group at SKYW drinks so much kool aid and it is so bad at understanding the art of business negotiation that it votes yes to the pay package and foolishly locks us all into an utterly lamentable pay agreement that denigrates the whole of the airline pilot profession. I give them credit for their craftiness though. The 2017 TA was designed to split the pilot group by offering the old-timers higher 401k and incentives to the junior pilots with promises of more aircraft. People like me who are in the middle are shafted. Then again there was also a sizeable demographic that didn't vote (met one guy who didn't even know that the TA had passed >_> I didn't find him too intelligent anyway). I predict that in two years, management will be forced to raise pilot pay at SkyWest as other regionals mimic Endeavor's uppercut move with this new TA. I really have to commend Endeavor for holding the line for us all. With any luck this trend of increasing pay keeps up. DOWN WITH THE REGIONALS What left me with a death stare was flying with people that literally asked, “what more do you want, you work at a regional?” Regardless, I remain disappointed with the outcome of the TA. However, I am happy to see other carriers raising the bar in the regional industry. |
Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2444506)
Were close to the top... Endeavor hasn’t passed there TA yet.. I will compare W2’s any time...
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