Southwest Hiring 2020
01-29-2020, 07:28 AM
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Still will take at least 3 months to get everybody trained. 10K pilots, 2 hours each in equals 20K hours divided over 9 SIMs, even at round the clock SIM that is at least 100 days. Without any new hire training in those three plus months there would have been around 15K hours of SIM recurrency events planned. I don't know how many other SIMs WN has, but it sure sounds like a lot of training.
01-29-2020, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Still will take at least 3 months to get everybody trained. 10K pilots, 2 hours each in equals 20K hours divided over 9 SIMs, even at round the clock SIM that is at least 100 days. Without any new hire training in those three plus months there would have been around 15K hours of SIM recurrency events planned. I don't know how many other SIMs WN has, but it sure sounds like a lot of training.
01-29-2020, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks
The source is flight ops. They intend to do the training in the 9 sims, hopefully in 2 hour training block. (Not sure yet what FAA will require) I have no knowledge but not sure the FAA will allow Max training in an NG sim. I doubt it.
The additional sims are coming from CAE in Canada somewhere.
The additional sims are coming from CAE in Canada somewhere.
The only difference is the display. Sim is only going to be required to train MCAS/trim runaway. You can do that in any model.
01-29-2020, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
FAA/Boeing have already said a workaround using NG sims will be allowed. With so few Max sims and so many airlines with parked planes it’s not feasible to tell some airlines “tough ****....go buy a MAX sim”.
The only difference is the display. Sim is only going to be required to train MCAS/trim runaway. You can do that in any model.
The only difference is the display. Sim is only going to be required to train MCAS/trim runaway. You can do that in any model.
It is my understanding that the software is significantly different in the 737 MAX. Not just the displays.
Expediting the timetable for the return of the 737 MAX and relaxing sim requirements sounds a lot like the first mistakes that were made.
If there is another accident, one can imagine the backlash that would ensue.
01-29-2020, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by localizer
Source?
It is my understanding that the software is significantly different in the 737 MAX. Not just the displays.
It is my understanding that the software is significantly different in the 737 MAX. Not just the displays.
01-29-2020, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
As far as the cockpit goes, it's literally identical except for the displays, the gear handle (because of the displays), and removing a couple of overhead annunciator lights. That's why they're talking about reconfiguring an 800 sim's software to replicate the difference. All the other hardware (yoke, trim, stab cutout switches, etc) is exactly where it was in the NG, so it'd be a matter of loading a hybrid software package to make an NG sim fly like a Max sim for this specific training event.
Or perhaps some NG sims could be dedicated fully to the MAX. If that was the case, could WN afford to lose NG sims as they are converted into MAX sims? That would also possibly create logistical challenges with sim scheduling as now 2 different particular sim types would be required for all initial and possibly recurrent training.
01-29-2020, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by localizer
I wonder how simple that would be and if it would be possible to do that without compromising the NG sim characteristics.
I don't think that hybrid Max-in-an-NG software would be usable for anything except the MCAS/runaway trim training, since it wouldn't 100% replicate any specific airplane type. But to get the crews trained on the differences and able to fly the plane, I think it'd be a very reasonable, realistic option, if the FAA is on board with it.
01-29-2020, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
if the FAA is on board with it.
To make a pigeon fly, you have to have a stone to make it leave or bread crumbs to make it arrive. Don't see anyone having that kind of pull with the FAA.
01-29-2020, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bwipilot
Oh yeah--the FAA is going to jump over high hurdles to bend the training requirements--just like they're working overtime to get the MAX back in service.
To make a pigeon fly, you have to have a stone to make it leave or bread crumbs to make it arrive. Don't see anyone having that kind of pull with the FAA.
To make a pigeon fly, you have to have a stone to make it leave or bread crumbs to make it arrive. Don't see anyone having that kind of pull with the FAA.
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