Southwest Hiring 2020
01-25-2020 | 06:06 AM
#111
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Nobody really knows yet what's going to be required in the MAX training. We could be running classes until the training program is established and then freeze classes, or reduce the volume. We'll still have plenty available simulators that are not MAXes available for new hire, upgrade and recurrent training. I think the reason to stop classes is simply they are sick and tired of everyone complaining how over staffed we are. It also comes down to how much they're paying for those green bars and extra reserves sitting at home. I think they finally realized the MAX is definitely not coming any time soon. And even if this time Boeing's prediction to fix it by the middle of the year is right (they lost their credibility long time ago), we have more than enough people to fly the extra airplanes already, so why hiring more?
01-25-2020 | 06:07 AM
#112
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My uninformed opinion is we pushed those classes back to clear space for the impending MAX training. FAA has said it expects certification before the middle of the year and it sounds like SWA wants to train everybody at once over the course of a couple months, as opposed to a metered base by base training cycle. The purchase of 3 additional MAX sims supports that. Sucks big time for folks who have class dates and interviews because we will no doubt lose some excellent people, but this saga REALLY needs to come to an end and if it takes a brute force approach to accomplish that then so be it. Good luck to all.
01-25-2020 | 06:26 AM
#113
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It seems like the new hire class and upgrade class in February will still take place. Everything that was planned after that, so March 1st on, is cancelled. Not a good news, but I would be extremely surprised to find a single person who wasn't expecting that. Stagnation in the middle of the biggest hiring wave in the industry! What a mess...
01-25-2020 | 08:15 AM
#115
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My uninformed opinion is we pushed those classes back to clear space for the impending MAX training. FAA has said it expects certification before the middle of the year and it sounds like SWA wants to train everybody at once over the course of a couple months, as opposed to a metered base by base training cycle. The purchase of 3 additional MAX sims supports that. Sucks big time for folks who have class dates and interviews because we will no doubt lose some excellent people, but this saga REALLY needs to come to an end and if it takes a brute force approach to accomplish that then so be it. Good luck to all.
01-25-2020 | 09:15 AM
#116
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I would say bad logic more than uninformed. The MAX training will have to be done in the MAX sims. There's another 15 NG sims that can handle the rest of the training. It's more about avoiding paying pilots to sit around and do nothing--even during the busiest part of the year (summer). Don't need as many pilots after August. No MAX until August or later--no need for more pilots.
01-25-2020 | 01:52 PM
#117
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9 MAX sims, working 21 hrs each a day, is 189 sim hours a day. Say 3 hrs per crew, is 63 crews or 126 pilots per day.
126/9500 = 75 days to train everyone. That is the most optimistic figure, reality is more like 4-5 months. This assumes they have the instructor staff to handle this.
Then, there will be time to bring the parked planes back on the line.
If the FAA blessed the MAX tomorrow, it could be a year before the dust settled, so to speak.
126/9500 = 75 days to train everyone. That is the most optimistic figure, reality is more like 4-5 months. This assumes they have the instructor staff to handle this.
Then, there will be time to bring the parked planes back on the line.
If the FAA blessed the MAX tomorrow, it could be a year before the dust settled, so to speak.
01-25-2020 | 02:49 PM
#118
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9 MAX sims, working 21 hrs each a day, is 189 sim hours a day. Say 3 hrs per crew, is 63 crews or 126 pilots per day.
126/9500 = 75 days to train everyone. That is the most optimistic figure, reality is more like 4-5 months. This assumes they have the instructor staff to handle this.
Then, there will be time to bring the parked planes back on the line.
If the FAA blessed the MAX tomorrow, it could be a year before the dust settled, so to speak.
126/9500 = 75 days to train everyone. That is the most optimistic figure, reality is more like 4-5 months. This assumes they have the instructor staff to handle this.
Then, there will be time to bring the parked planes back on the line.
If the FAA blessed the MAX tomorrow, it could be a year before the dust settled, so to speak.
01-25-2020 | 03:05 PM
#119
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I would say bad logic more than uninformed. The MAX training will have to be done in the MAX sims. There's another 15 NG sims that can handle the rest of the training. It's more about avoiding paying pilots to sit around and do nothing--even during the busiest part of the year (summer). Don't need as many pilots after August. No MAX until August or later--no need for more pilots.
01-26-2020 | 04:01 AM
#120
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The head of the FAA called airline leaders and briefed them on the return to service timeline and training requirements.
My speculation is that SWA immediately moved to clear the calendar for this training so they can get the MAX back quicker than the other airlines.
After 9/11 and the great recession, SWA honored all CJOs and brought those people on property.
My speculation is that SWA immediately moved to clear the calendar for this training so they can get the MAX back quicker than the other airlines.
After 9/11 and the great recession, SWA honored all CJOs and brought those people on property.
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