Concession discussions in our future?
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Hasn't the pilot group learned from others failures? Concessions never save pilot jobs. It's an unfortunate reality in the airline world. We all feel sorry for lost jobs. But where does the concessions stop? 500 jobs, 1000, 1001. Pilots are a minuscule drop in the corporate spending spree. Say no to concessions my friends. You'll live to regret it if you do.
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Isn't the labor guy a glorified scheduler? #tool. Oh isn't the ex SWAPA president on the company side Carl Kuwitsky or something like that. Oh yeah. He screwed the pilots over while president also. Should be on the scab list
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Hasn't the pilot group learned from others failures? Concessions never save pilot jobs. It's an unfortunate reality in the airline world. We all feel sorry for lost jobs. But where does the concessions stop? 500 jobs, 1000, 1001. Pilots are a minuscule drop in the corporate spending spree. Say no to concessions my friends. You'll live to regret it if you do.
This is what makes SWAPA more vulnerable to this attack than the other majors. Their lists are populated with pilots who have gone through at least one furlough in their career and many realize that taking cuts didn't prevent company from correcting a severe overmanning situation.
SWA will try and leverage the "help us keep from furloughing y'all if you just take 30% pay cuts....etc
#17
No to concessions. Force Gary to declare bankruptcy if we wants to modify the contract. “It’s just business” goes both ways. We all know how this plays out:
We give concessions then they furlough anyway. Business improves and 10 years later we’re fighting to get back to even from the concessions of year 2020.
We give concessions then they furlough anyway. Business improves and 10 years later we’re fighting to get back to even from the concessions of year 2020.
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No to concessions. Force Gary to declare bankruptcy if we wants to modify the contract. “It’s just business” goes both ways. We all know how this plays out:
We give concessions then they furlough anyway. Business improves and 10 years later we’re fighting to get back to even from the concessions of year 2020.
We give concessions then they furlough anyway. Business improves and 10 years later we’re fighting to get back to even from the concessions of year 2020.
He has so much stock so make him pay.
#19
April 16, 2020
Dear Gary,
I’ve been informed that last week Southwest requested that the Transport Workers Union (TWU) represented Locals, 550, 555, 556 and 557 open and/or negotiate concessions into our members’ contracts. While we certainly understand that Southwest management wants to explore how the company moves forward, the TWU has no interest in regressing from our current negotiated contracts. We have no interest in concessions. We have fought for years to improve our members’ livelihoods and we will robustly continue to do so.
If the company is interested in discussing a seniority based voluntary early out, a paid leave program, or other non concessionary options, which present our members with voluntary opportunities – we are certainly willing to listen. We believe the long term savings from these types of voluntary actions can easily exceed the cost savings you recently proposed. Furthermore, the grant money Southwest Airlines is receiving from the CARES Act now provides you with the necessary time to rethink your ill-advised proffer of contract concessions. On balance, we believe Southwest Airlines is the best positioned and most financially viable airline in the United States and to make a concessionary demand of the TWU is totally unwarranted.
The Transport Workers Union of America, and our Local union leaders at Southwest, stand ready to discuss our proposed non concessionary solutions. Let us know if you want to pursue that conversation.
Dear Gary,
I’ve been informed that last week Southwest requested that the Transport Workers Union (TWU) represented Locals, 550, 555, 556 and 557 open and/or negotiate concessions into our members’ contracts. While we certainly understand that Southwest management wants to explore how the company moves forward, the TWU has no interest in regressing from our current negotiated contracts. We have no interest in concessions. We have fought for years to improve our members’ livelihoods and we will robustly continue to do so.
If the company is interested in discussing a seniority based voluntary early out, a paid leave program, or other non concessionary options, which present our members with voluntary opportunities – we are certainly willing to listen. We believe the long term savings from these types of voluntary actions can easily exceed the cost savings you recently proposed. Furthermore, the grant money Southwest Airlines is receiving from the CARES Act now provides you with the necessary time to rethink your ill-advised proffer of contract concessions. On balance, we believe Southwest Airlines is the best positioned and most financially viable airline in the United States and to make a concessionary demand of the TWU is totally unwarranted.
The Transport Workers Union of America, and our Local union leaders at Southwest, stand ready to discuss our proposed non concessionary solutions. Let us know if you want to pursue that conversation.
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April 16, 2020
Dear Gary,
I’ve been informed that last week Southwest requested that the Transport Workers Union (TWU) represented Locals, 550, 555, 556 and 557 open and/or negotiate concessions into our members’ contracts. While we certainly understand that Southwest management wants to explore how the company moves forward, the TWU has no interest in regressing from our current negotiated contracts. We have no interest in concessions. We have fought for years to improve our members’ livelihoods and we will robustly continue to do so.
If the company is interested in discussing a seniority based voluntary early out, a paid leave program, or other non concessionary options, which present our members with voluntary opportunities – we are certainly willing to listen. We believe the long term savings from these types of voluntary actions can easily exceed the cost savings you recently proposed. Furthermore, the grant money Southwest Airlines is receiving from the CARES Act now provides you with the necessary time to rethink your ill-advised proffer of contract concessions. On balance, we believe Southwest Airlines is the best positioned and most financially viable airline in the United States and to make a concessionary demand of the TWU is totally unwarranted.
The Transport Workers Union of America, and our Local union leaders at Southwest, stand ready to discuss our proposed non concessionary solutions. Let us know if you want to pursue that conversation.
Dear Gary,
I’ve been informed that last week Southwest requested that the Transport Workers Union (TWU) represented Locals, 550, 555, 556 and 557 open and/or negotiate concessions into our members’ contracts. While we certainly understand that Southwest management wants to explore how the company moves forward, the TWU has no interest in regressing from our current negotiated contracts. We have no interest in concessions. We have fought for years to improve our members’ livelihoods and we will robustly continue to do so.
If the company is interested in discussing a seniority based voluntary early out, a paid leave program, or other non concessionary options, which present our members with voluntary opportunities – we are certainly willing to listen. We believe the long term savings from these types of voluntary actions can easily exceed the cost savings you recently proposed. Furthermore, the grant money Southwest Airlines is receiving from the CARES Act now provides you with the necessary time to rethink your ill-advised proffer of contract concessions. On balance, we believe Southwest Airlines is the best positioned and most financially viable airline in the United States and to make a concessionary demand of the TWU is totally unwarranted.
The Transport Workers Union of America, and our Local union leaders at Southwest, stand ready to discuss our proposed non concessionary solutions. Let us know if you want to pursue that conversation.
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