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Old 05-05-2020 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Echo Papa
I believe in domicile trumps an out of domicile bid regardless of the Cap.

That is incorrect. Only thing over the cap is you trump a Lance. KTC


Taken from the contract


11. The Open Time CAP:
a. Seniority for awards in MOT, DOT/POT, and HOT/POT and SNOT will be subordinated when a pilot's projected bid period TFP exceeds one hundred eighteen percent (118%) of the domicile bid line average. This is referred to as the CAP.
For example, when a one hundred fifteen (115) TFP CAP is in effect, a pilot who has one hundred fourteen (114) TFP actual or projected may exercise his seniority for one (1) additional Open Time award. This award may be any number of TFP. A pilot who has exceeded the CAP will still be able to bid Open Time, but his seniority will be subordinated to those who have not exceeded the CAP. Seniority will prevail among those who are over the CAP in the event the additional flying is not picked up by pilots under the CAP.
Section 6: Additional Flying



For example, when a one hundred fifteen (115) TFP CAP is in effect, a pilot who has one hundred fourteen (114) TFP actual or projected may exercise his seniority for one (1) additional Open Time award. This award may be any number of TFP. A pilot who has exceeded the CAP will still be able to bid Open Time, but his seniority will be subordinated to those who have not exceeded the CAP. Seniority will prevail among those who are over the CAP in the event the additional flying is not picked up by pilots under the CAP.

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Old 05-05-2020 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
That is incorrect. Only thing over the cap is you trump a Lance. KTC


Taken from the contract

I believe 6.B.12 says otherwise.


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Old 05-05-2020 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
think what you want. I have cleared my board and only flew POT for years. I wish what you are saying is true, but I know different.

You can call SWAPA tomorrow and let me know what they tell you . It is ok if you do not admit your wrong.
How else could this be interpreted:

Order of Open Time Award:
  1. Additional Captain flying will be awarded in the following order. For this section, the term “legal” is to include the limitations set forth in Section 5.D.2.l and currency and qualifications required in Section 6.B.2.g for ETOPS and Near International stations requiring Supervised Airport Qualifications at the time of the legality check in the Crew Management System. A pairing will not be removed once it is placed on the pilot’s line, if an updated time causes a violation of Section 5.D.2.l.
    1. Captain in domicile, legal, available, under the CAP.
    2. Captain in domicile, legal, available, over the CAP.
    3. Captain out of domicile, legal, available, under the CAP.
    4. Captain out of domicile, legal, available, over the CAP.
    5. Designated Lance Captain in domicile, legal, available, under the CAP.
    6. Designated Lance Captain in domicile, legal, available, over the CAP.
    7. Designated Lance Captain out of domicile, legal, available, under the CAP.
    8. Designated Lance Captain out of domicile, legal, available, over the CAP.
    9. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, Captain in domicile legal, available, under the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    10. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, Captain in domicile legal, available, over the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    11. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, Captain out of domicile, legal, available, under the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    12. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, Captain out of domicile, legal, available, over the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    13. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, designated Lance Captain in domicile legal, available, under the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    14. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, designated Lance Captain in domicile legal, available, over the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    15. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, designated Lance Captain out of domicile legal, available, under the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    16. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, designated Lance Captain out of domicile legal, available, over the CAP on designated non-fly events.
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Old 05-05-2020 | 03:51 PM
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I will call tomorrow, I would like if your correct, but from past experience I don’t think so. .


thanks for the cut and paste
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Old 05-05-2020 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Squeakygreaser
In the analysis I've seen Southwest has the best cash to cash burn ratio of any carrier, and it's not even close. My question is; was this because management actually planned for periodic downturns or because the 737 max didn't come and all that cash was going to buy those and bring them online?
Easy answer..

So they do not go bankrupt and lose all their investors money. Another way to say that would be "good management". Thats the real answer. SWA is a fantastically ran airline, and they always impress me.
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Old 05-06-2020 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BangDingOw
Easy answer..

So they do not go bankrupt and lose all their investors money. Another way to say that would be "good management". Thats the real answer. SWA is a fantastically ran airline, and they always impress me.
great at least now we know who lobbies for all the “swag” benefits over increased profit sharing. They have hats, Tshirts, scarves......
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Old 05-06-2020 | 07:25 AM
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I bid on a lot of open time. Cap is king. Over the cap? You are behind everyone under the cap, including out of base.
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Old 05-06-2020 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
I bid on a lot of open time. Cap is king. Over the cap? You are behind everyone under the cap, including out of base.

Nope. In base over the cap beats out of base under the cap.

See Peacock’s post above for contract reference.
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Old 05-06-2020 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Nope. In base over the cap beats out of base under the cap.

See Peacock’s post above for contract reference.

Srsly? I read it but it doesn't match my experience with it.

Hmm. My honest apology for being wrong.
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Old 05-06-2020 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Srsly? I read it but it doesn't match my experience with it.

Hmm. My honest apology for being wrong.

I had same experience, I think it might have been that way under old contract thought, either way good to know to collect error pay in the future.
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