Cargo MOU
#21
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I think people should look at this as if we are at full schedule, as is proposed by year end, rather than as a way to stave off furlough .
we've given them everything they wanted in the last few months under the guise of saving the company and now they put out a full schedule guaranteeing no furloughs.
I like the idea of cargo but I also think there are reasons we put reopeners in the contract.
the one year expiration is a good idea and maybe one that allows the company to get used to it then we get something the next time, however, quid pro quo has not happened in a long while. Ie: 800, max, hindsight, ETO etc
we've given them everything they wanted in the last few months under the guise of saving the company and now they put out a full schedule guaranteeing no furloughs.
I like the idea of cargo but I also think there are reasons we put reopeners in the contract.
the one year expiration is a good idea and maybe one that allows the company to get used to it then we get something the next time, however, quid pro quo has not happened in a long while. Ie: 800, max, hindsight, ETO etc
#22
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Cargo MOU
I'm not trying to be snarky as it's an honest question. What exactly is it that we are 'giving up' on this MOU? In this current environment, as long as SWA pilots are flying the cargo, the only thing I see us giving up is 'receiving' extra flying opportunities if we vote No on this. Am I missing something?
#23
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I respect your viewpoint tho !
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I'm not trying to be snarky as it's an honest question. What exactly is it that we are 'giving up' on this MOU? In this current environment, as long as SWA pilots are flying the cargo, the only thing I see us giving up is 'receiving' extra flying opportunities if we vote No on this. Am I missing something?
When a contract is negotiated by the union and the company it is with a total dollar value in mind. Weighing what the company can generate through revenue streams and basing our compensation off of that. We did not base our current contract on the fact that swa would be flying strictly cargo trips.
Again I’m not totally against it, but I would have at least like to have seen a gesture of good will. Some examples could have been closing some of the grievances, rolling back some other archaic rules here that would have not cost the company. Like reserve elitt to name one.
Just one pilots opinion. All I know is that swa has never let a good downturn go to waste. They play chess while we are still playing checkers.
#25
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I also think it’s a good trial run, if and I doubt it but if they turn this into something long term after it does well, and they commit to more cargo flying in the future then we will have a strong position at the negotiating table after our flying is returned to a full schedule (before long I think)
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I also think it’s a good trial run, if and I doubt it but if they turn this into something long term after it does well, and they commit to more cargo flying in the future then we will have a strong position at the negotiating table after our flying is returned to a full schedule (before long I think)
#27
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Honestly I am not a hard no on the mou. What are we giving up? By specifically having an mou it fell outside of our negotiated contract. Cargo was a specific re-opener.
When a contract is negotiated by the union and the company it is with a total dollar value in mind. Weighing what the company can generate through revenue streams and basing our compensation off of that. We did not base our current contract on the fact that swa would be flying strictly cargo trips.
Again I’m not totally against it, but I would have at least like to have seen a gesture of good will. Some examples could have been closing some of the grievances, rolling back some other archaic rules here that would have not cost the company. Like reserve elitt to name one.
Just one pilots opinion. All I know is that swa has never let a good downturn go to waste. They play chess while we are still playing checkers.
When a contract is negotiated by the union and the company it is with a total dollar value in mind. Weighing what the company can generate through revenue streams and basing our compensation off of that. We did not base our current contract on the fact that swa would be flying strictly cargo trips.
Again I’m not totally against it, but I would have at least like to have seen a gesture of good will. Some examples could have been closing some of the grievances, rolling back some other archaic rules here that would have not cost the company. Like reserve elitt to name one.
Just one pilots opinion. All I know is that swa has never let a good downturn go to waste. They play chess while we are still playing checkers.
Fair enough. Good points.
#28
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Honestly I am not a hard no on the mou. What are we giving up? By specifically having an mou it fell outside of our negotiated contract. Cargo was a specific re-opener.
When a contract is negotiated by the union and the company it is with a total dollar value in mind. Weighing what the company can generate through revenue streams and basing our compensation off of that. We did not base our current contract on the fact that swa would be flying strictly cargo trips.
Again I’m not totally against it, but I would have at least like to have seen a gesture of good will. Some examples could have been closing some of the grievances, rolling back some other archaic rules here that would have not cost the company. Like reserve elitt to name one.
Just one pilots opinion. All I know is that swa has never let a good downturn go to waste. They play chess while we are still playing checkers.
When a contract is negotiated by the union and the company it is with a total dollar value in mind. Weighing what the company can generate through revenue streams and basing our compensation off of that. We did not base our current contract on the fact that swa would be flying strictly cargo trips.
Again I’m not totally against it, but I would have at least like to have seen a gesture of good will. Some examples could have been closing some of the grievances, rolling back some other archaic rules here that would have not cost the company. Like reserve elitt to name one.
Just one pilots opinion. All I know is that swa has never let a good downturn go to waste. They play chess while we are still playing checkers.
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