How will you spend your ExTO?
07-10-2020, 11:25 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Yeah. Before you do corporate flying you have to ask yourself some really soul-searching questions like, "How would I feel about pushing a dookie down the toilet with a rolled up magazine?" or, "can I use Google translate to try and talk the commandante of the airfield in Macho Grande for a landing permit?" or "Will I have to do a carpet dance if I spent $500 on deicing as opposed to $475 on hangar space?" or "Did this client want hot coffee even though we're in Houston in the dead of summer?"
Do you like answering accusations from the chief pilot like, "You know, if you went at FL470 you wouldn't have to make that fuel stop in Grand Junction..." or "Did you know the hotel you're staying at is $5 more than the LaQuinta down the street?!"
And then there's the self evaluations you have to write each year to try and beg them for a pay raise...
Do you like answering accusations from the chief pilot like, "You know, if you went at FL470 you wouldn't have to make that fuel stop in Grand Junction..." or "Did you know the hotel you're staying at is $5 more than the LaQuinta down the street?!"
And then there's the self evaluations you have to write each year to try and beg them for a pay raise...
07-10-2020, 11:28 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by at6d
“Would you like to pay the $800 drop fee for your ten minutes on the ramp or buy 300 gallons?”
07-10-2020, 11:49 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by hoover
Do you think we go back to massive green bars or a hindsight reckoning again? Or everyone work 12 days for min guarantee?
07-10-2020, 12:21 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Yeah. Before you do corporate flying you have to ask yourself some really soul-searching questions like, "How would I feel about pushing a dookie down the toilet with a rolled up magazine?" or, "can I use Google translate to try and talk the commandante of the airfield in Macho Grande for a landing permit?" or "Will I have to do a carpet dance if I spent $500 on deicing as opposed to $475 on hangar space?" or "Did this client want hot coffee even though we're in Houston in the dead of summer?"
Do you like answering accusations from the chief pilot like, "You know, if you went at FL470 you wouldn't have to make that fuel stop in Grand Junction..." or "Did you know the hotel you're staying at is $5 more than the LaQuinta down the street?!"
And then there's the self evaluations you have to write each year to try and beg them for a pay raise...
Do you like answering accusations from the chief pilot like, "You know, if you went at FL470 you wouldn't have to make that fuel stop in Grand Junction..." or "Did you know the hotel you're staying at is $5 more than the LaQuinta down the street?!"
And then there's the self evaluations you have to write each year to try and beg them for a pay raise...
07-10-2020, 12:42 PM
#36
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I’m with Whack. No concessions. We’re already at min guarantee. Concessions never saved a airline. We’ll find out in 10 days or so what the seniority list for Fall looks like. I haven’t heard of any other airline asking for concessions to stop furloughs. Hell, UAL/DL sent out letters before even doing early outs. Mind boggling.
We’ve got enough cash to go nearly 2 years before we run out. A vaccine will be available long before then. I’m optimistic in burning cash to regain lost market share from the Max and waiting it out. But I’m just a dumb pilot and have no idea what load factors and bookings look like.....things are at least way better than they were in April.
We’ve got enough cash to go nearly 2 years before we run out. A vaccine will be available long before then. I’m optimistic in burning cash to regain lost market share from the Max and waiting it out. But I’m just a dumb pilot and have no idea what load factors and bookings look like.....things are at least way better than they were in April.
07-10-2020, 12:52 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Yeah. Before you do corporate flying you have to ask yourself some really soul-searching questions like, "How would I feel about pushing a dookie down the toilet with a rolled up magazine?" or, "can I use Google translate to try and talk the commandante of the airfield in Macho Grande for a landing permit?" or "Will I have to do a carpet dance if I spent $500 on deicing as opposed to $475 on hangar space?" or "Did this client want hot coffee even though we're in Houston in the dead of summer?"
Do you like answering accusations from the chief pilot like, "You know, if you went at FL470 you wouldn't have to make that fuel stop in Grand Junction..." or "Did you know the hotel you're staying at is $5 more than the LaQuinta down the street?!"
And then there's the self evaluations you have to write each year to try and beg them for a pay raise...
Do you like answering accusations from the chief pilot like, "You know, if you went at FL470 you wouldn't have to make that fuel stop in Grand Junction..." or "Did you know the hotel you're staying at is $5 more than the LaQuinta down the street?!"
And then there's the self evaluations you have to write each year to try and beg them for a pay raise...
My best one: had to divert from LAX to BUR because LAX was below mins. Client got extremely annoyed, because rental cars were $15/day cheaper at LAX then BUR. Repeatedly insisted after landing at BUR that we try again at LAX, no matter how many times we explained that at 0100L, it's unlikely the weather was going to improve, and that one minute of taxi time would pretty much eat up any savings on the rental car. The best part: his ultimate destination was much closer to BUR than LAX, but he wanted the cheaper rental car.. After riding a super-mid on a transcon, of course.
Or the time a client (Fortune 500 CEO) flew off the handle because the wine on-board was not from her husband's winery, which apparently she'd specifically insisted on. I think we had an Opus One ($100/bottle and up), but that wasn't good enough. Had to be her husband's wine.
07-10-2020, 01:08 PM
#38
Furloughed Again?!
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
I’m with Whack. No concessions. We’re already at min guarantee. Concessions never saved a airline. We’ll find out in 10 days or so what the seniority list for Fall looks like. I haven’t heard of any other airline asking for concessions to stop furloughs. Hell, UAL/DL sent out letters before even doing early outs. Mind boggling.
We’ve got enough cash to go nearly 2 years before we run out. A vaccine will be available long before then. I’m optimistic in burning cash to regain lost market share from the Max and waiting it out. But I’m just a dumb pilot and have no idea what load factors and bookings look like.....things are at least way better than they were in April.
We’ve got enough cash to go nearly 2 years before we run out. A vaccine will be available long before then. I’m optimistic in burning cash to regain lost market share from the Max and waiting it out. But I’m just a dumb pilot and have no idea what load factors and bookings look like.....things are at least way better than they were in April.
To your first point, the more money you go into bankruptcy with, the better you come out on the other side. So we won't go two full years before the pop the chute.
I agree with you that they haven't asked for concessions. They've hinted at it though as an attempt at a mitigation as required by the CBA. My guess is a lowered guarantee so that they could still say "never had a furlough, never had a paycut" if it works. Plus reduced guarantees are self correcting. As soon as demand returns, the number is irrelevant.
Finally, once pilots are on furlough it's way easy to leave them there. (7 years post 9/11 for example). Why? Because out of sight out of mind. Once the initial shock of the furlough subsides, the pilots who remain on property will start dealing with their OWN problems and figuring out ways to make more money or improve their QOL. Things that are devastating to a furloughed pilot quickly fall by the wayside. For example, voting away furloughee medical, voting to approve age 65 retirement, voting to remove furloughees from the union website and forum, or picking up open time. (Which, incidentally hurts downgraded captains almost as much as it does furloughees)
So I still say that if there are reasonable mitigations to prevent it, put it out for a vote. Then let the chips fall where they may.
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07-10-2020, 01:29 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
To your first point, the more money you go into bankruptcy with, the better you come out on the other side. So we won't go two full years before the pop the chute.
I agree with you that they haven't asked for concessions. They've hinted at it though as an attempt at a mitigation as required by the CBA. My guess is a lowered guarantee so that they could still say "never had a furlough, never had a paycut" if it works. Plus reduced guarantees are self correcting. As soon as demand returns, the number is irrelevant.
Finally, once pilots are on furlough it's way easy to leave them there. (7 years post 9/11 for example). Why? Because out of sight out of mind. Once the initial shock of the furlough subsides, the pilots who remain on property will start dealing with their OWN problems and figuring out ways to make more money or improve their QOL. Things that are devastating to a furloughed pilot quickly fall by the wayside. For example, voting away furloughee medical, voting to approve age 65 retirement, voting to remove furloughees from the union website and forum, or picking up open time. (Which, incidentally hurts downgraded captains almost as much as it does furloughees)
So I still say that if there are reasonable mitigations to prevent it, put it out for a vote. Then let the chips fall where they may.
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I agree with you that they haven't asked for concessions. They've hinted at it though as an attempt at a mitigation as required by the CBA. My guess is a lowered guarantee so that they could still say "never had a furlough, never had a paycut" if it works. Plus reduced guarantees are self correcting. As soon as demand returns, the number is irrelevant.
Finally, once pilots are on furlough it's way easy to leave them there. (7 years post 9/11 for example). Why? Because out of sight out of mind. Once the initial shock of the furlough subsides, the pilots who remain on property will start dealing with their OWN problems and figuring out ways to make more money or improve their QOL. Things that are devastating to a furloughed pilot quickly fall by the wayside. For example, voting away furloughee medical, voting to approve age 65 retirement, voting to remove furloughees from the union website and forum, or picking up open time. (Which, incidentally hurts downgraded captains almost as much as it does furloughees)
So I still say that if there are reasonable mitigations to prevent it, put it out for a vote. Then let the chips fall where they may.
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07-10-2020, 03:20 PM
#40
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Originally Posted by Peacock
A lowered line guarantee wouldn’t affect ExTO pay according to the FAQ. Would be a sore spot for people now working for something less than 89-87 when others are doing nothing or working a second job for 55
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