Dallas Morning News SWA article?
09-09-2020, 07:01 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
A slight, temporary reduction in LG is much better than one of our own getting furloughed. Right now, topped out captains are getting $8,000 a month for doing nothing. That's not working more for the same pay, it's a free subsidy from the airline (via the government) to allow us to keep our job while there isn't enough flying to really go around. If you aren't willing to give a little of that up to save your union brothers and sisters, I don't know what to tell you. You are already getting a free 4 day every month to do jack.
If Joe High Time can only fly 110, someone has to pick up the slack. Reserves are already regularly breaking 110 just by being reserves on a daily reserve guarantee. It doesn't save the company anything. It only spreads the flying around to people who don't want to do it.
If Joe High Time can only fly 110, someone has to pick up the slack. Reserves are already regularly breaking 110 just by being reserves on a daily reserve guarantee. It doesn't save the company anything. It only spreads the flying around to people who don't want to do it.
What the hell
Do I need to over with you the first rule of the fight club?
09-09-2020, 07:21 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
A tfp max limit will just force more junior guys/gals to commute that would rather give away their trips via TTGA and take their chances closer to home. Open Time isn't the only way to add trips to your board. We already have an open time CAP...
Yes. There are a lot of unintended consequences of restricting our productivity in the name of envy. It never works out like we think it will.
09-09-2020, 01:38 PM
#46
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Tenacious Workers
Originally Posted by Psycho18th
Last 2 guys I flew with said they averaged 150 and 170 per month. Neither one was taking ExTO, clearly. I’d figure out how they were able to bank that much, but their boards were blocked, obviously.
As long as it’s all above board, good on them. It’s a big reason many of us chose to come here is the opportunity to work hard for more money. With the lack of POT, that’s a lot of work! I just wonder how it will be if we ever did have pilots on the streets.
As long as it’s all above board, good on them. It’s a big reason many of us chose to come here is the opportunity to work hard for more money. With the lack of POT, that’s a lot of work! I just wonder how it will be if we ever did have pilots on the streets.
Do I feel like a sucker for taking up to 5 years of ExTO, even though half the company would have to be furloughed before I even downgraded, while my colleagues will be continuing to rake in the money? NO, HEAVENS NO! I have something else going on right now and I want to see where it takes me and my family. Something I can leave behind as a legacy.
Anyways, my point is this.... HOW THE HE!! is everyone NOT on an airplane going somewhere, vaccine or no vaccine? Guaranteed no neighbor, great fares, and a disease that is 10% serious, and 90% hype. I was paranoid and ready to hide under a rock until I started meeting people who have had it. All of them say it's being blown way out of proportion. It blew through a nursing home near me and the facility has 150 residents, all but 10 tested positive, 8 of the 140 died, but here is the kicker, THAT'S 3 LESS THAN ANY 6 MONTH PERIOD GOING BACK THE 29 YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN KEEPING RECORDS. The entire staff tested positive, again, ZERO died!
I realize I'm going to get my head ripped off for saying these things out loud. This is an intentional hard push on the yoke causing an unrecoverable dive, and we need some hard, provable stats and facts, then put the heads of those behind it on posts for the whole world to see, so that no one will ever be brave enough to try it again.
09-09-2020, 02:33 PM
#47
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
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Dallas Morning News SWA article?
We get paid to turn a wheel.
LG is the minimum we get paid in the event that schedules are written inefficiently. That isn't what is happening right now.
The company has been paying the equivalent of a 4 day trip because there aren't enough wheels to go around.
Those green bars are not a good thing. They're an indication of a very sick company.
If we took all of the wheels and divided it by 9000 temporarily, everybody would have some wheels to turn. I don't consider that a concession.
Guarantee is self correcting. It's vapor as soon as the pax come back. Never understood why there was such unwillingness to entertain that as an option.
That's not a concession. It's furlough mitigation.
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LG is the minimum we get paid in the event that schedules are written inefficiently. That isn't what is happening right now.
The company has been paying the equivalent of a 4 day trip because there aren't enough wheels to go around.
Those green bars are not a good thing. They're an indication of a very sick company.
If we took all of the wheels and divided it by 9000 temporarily, everybody would have some wheels to turn. I don't consider that a concession.
Guarantee is self correcting. It's vapor as soon as the pax come back. Never understood why there was such unwillingness to entertain that as an option.
That's not a concession. It's furlough mitigation.
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09-09-2020, 06:18 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
A slight, temporary reduction in LG is much better than one of our own getting furloughed. Right now, topped out captains are getting $8,000 a month for doing nothing. That's not working more for the same pay, it's a free subsidy from the airline (via the government) to allow us to keep our job while there isn't enough flying to really go around. If you aren't willing to give a little of that up to save your union brothers and sisters, I don't know what to tell you. You are already getting a free 4 day every month to do jack.
If Joe High Time can only fly 110, someone has to pick up the slack. Reserves are already regularly breaking 110 just by being reserves on a daily reserve guarantee. It doesn't save the company anything. It only spreads the flying around to people who don't want to do it.
If Joe High Time can only fly 110, someone has to pick up the slack. Reserves are already regularly breaking 110 just by being reserves on a daily reserve guarantee. It doesn't save the company anything. It only spreads the flying around to people who don't want to do it.
Bid rsv this month and I’m up 1.5 after being awarded a rigged 3 day. With 2 blocks left, assuming rigged trips I’ll end up at 95. Far cry from 110. We were sold a contract based on avg pay being 108. You already took a paycut when the Max went down. Now you’re saying you’ll take another.
No thanks. Furloughs are being mitigated at other airlines by offering those on the chopping block low paying lines or 0 pay lines with the chance at getting a paycheck through open time. That’s the status quo now, no other airline is making the entire pilot group take cuts to guarantee.
Assuming 1500 overstaffed is true, at guarantee that’s 132k tfp. If you cut guarantee by 15 that’s 135k tfp saved over 9000 pilots.
If Swapa says the avg pilot in 2016 flew 108, it’s not outrageous to assume those who are used to that amount will continue to earn that or more (myself included). If you assume half fly their line and the other half fly 110+, if you limited the 4500 to 88 tfp you’d save nearly 100k tfp. Nobody takes a guarantee hit. The difference is 363 pilots which can easily be mitigated with ETO lines, etc. Half of the people I know work their line or slightly more (mid-90’s). The other half is doing 120+ every month.
Both solutions mitigate furloughs. Both would be temporary. Only 1 solution takes more out of everyone’s check when it’s not needed or required to get the same result.
09-09-2020, 07:16 PM
#49
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E6B is correct. Folks are so spring loaded to not give or change anything they loose focus.
If we drop the LG. You get paid the SAME rate and rules for every day you work. If they schedule you for six days, you get paid for six days. If you work 12 days, you get paid for 12. If you pick up straight or premium, you get paid that.
ANY other type of reduction is unacceptable to me.
If we drop the LG. You get paid the SAME rate and rules for every day you work. If they schedule you for six days, you get paid for six days. If you work 12 days, you get paid for 12. If you pick up straight or premium, you get paid that.
ANY other type of reduction is unacceptable to me.
09-10-2020, 02:51 AM
#50
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
I didn't come to this airline to make the most money. You could do that elsewhere. I didn't come for the airplane or the route structure or the domiciles either.
I wanted to work here because of a nearly half century history of job security and a pilot group that was legendary for taking care of its own. If United can come to an AIP with ALPA to stop its 2800 furloughs, we can certainly do the same. Let's be the pilot group that the world thinks we are and #KeepDean.
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I wanted to work here because of a nearly half century history of job security and a pilot group that was legendary for taking care of its own. If United can come to an AIP with ALPA to stop its 2800 furloughs, we can certainly do the same. Let's be the pilot group that the world thinks we are and #KeepDean.
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