flyguy81

You make it a temporary LOA. Lasts for 4-6 months then back to the status quo. Why would someone who flies their line be willing to give up pay so someone else can still work 24 days a month? I’ll gladly give up credit over 110 so someone else can get a paycheck. I won’t give up guarantee when there’s no OT restrictions. More trips in open time, more bodies needed.

F9 and NK are running 0 hr lines to keep people from losing health insurance. They have the ability to pick up open time to get a paycheck. Would you be willing to not pick up OT like crazy so someone junior could actually get paid? I would. I planned my budget on guarantee. Want me to redo it? Everyone is gonna feel the pinch too then.

e6bpilot

You aren't saving a nickel by limiting max credit. Someone has to fly those trips. They aren't going to be flown by robots.
Right now you have some who bid and fly their min guarantee line with a fat LG bar. This is the company giving them (and the max flyers) free money. That LG bar is costing them big and that's what they will go after, not for the trips to be more evenly spread among the group.
Limiting max credit is something pilot groups do to force the company to hire more.

flyguy81

I won’t vote to lower guarantee. No desire to work more days to get to 89. If they want to get rid of LG bars, add more flights. I’ve no problem working another 3 day in lieu of the LG bar.

e6bpilot

Yeah, I mean that's your choice. If it comes to furloughs or lower guarantee, I am willing to bet you are outnumbered about 5 to 1. I certainly think it requires a lot of thought and discussion, but given the choice between that concession and other concessions, I will take the lesser of two evils. Gary said plain and simple that if things don't look like they are improving after the first of the year, he is coming for concessions and then furloughs.

I think the point of the LG bars is that they don't have enough flights to add. If they did, they would certainly not give us free money every month.

I remember when I used to be stoked in February because I would get like a 7tfp LG bar. Man, those were the days.

I guess the main point of my rebuttal is that a cap on max credit is dumb and saves the company nothing so it really isn't a concession that they would be interested in. It would hurt everyone. The company saves no money because when they build the lines, they will still have to pay a line guarantee, the high time flyer now gets less credit and can't pay his 3 exes, and the low time flyer has to pick up the slack and work harder than they want to. The way our reserve rules work, it's hard to make utilizing reserves come out in the company's favor.

flyguy81

Rsv’s are barely working. If it’s a decent trip it goes straight.

If it comes to furloughs, nobody should be working extra. I’m fine on 89 trips. I’m not ok with less. If I was, I’d have taken ExTO. If you’re stuck in guarantee, high time guys aren’t going to get 130+. Someone is going to have to work it. Only so many rsv’s to work the sick calls, etc.

UAL just came out with a agreement to save the 2850 furloughs. Curious what the details are. Guessing it’s not a cut in guarantee...

Mozam

I am a low time flyer ,so putting restrictions on OT would not effect me . I would be against any restrictions. Pilots putting restrictions on themselves is just crazy IMO .


Reread what e6 wrote , he is spot on . I know you may not agree with what he is saying , but it is correct .

flyguy81

I’m never voting to work more for the same pay. Full pay til the last day. Lowering LG is a concession and concessions never saved a airline. I just hope if it comes down to 0 hr lines and 141xxx guys are bidding trips in order to feed their families, people let them have the trip instead of being OT *****s so they can buy the newest ATV.

flyguy81

Swapa prob has the data to see whether it’d even matter. If there’s more high time guys than fly my line guys and you limit OT to 110 until we reach 3500 flights a day (or some other number) and that saves people from taking a LG cut or ending up on the street.....

How is that worse than telling 9000 people that they’re now taking a 10-20% cut in pay whether they like it or not, but hey...you can always just pick up another 3 day?

I’d gladly work a composite line or bid rsv if it helps. I don’t even need 20 off on rsv...give me a regular 15 off line with no green bar and I’d be happy.

e6bpilot

A slight, temporary reduction in LG is much better than one of our own getting furloughed. Right now, topped out captains are getting $8,000 a month for doing nothing. That's not working more for the same pay, it's a free subsidy from the airline (via the government) to allow us to keep our job while there isn't enough flying to really go around. If you aren't willing to give a little of that up to save your union brothers and sisters, I don't know what to tell you. You are already getting a free 4 day every month to do jack.
If Joe High Time can only fly 110, someone has to pick up the slack. Reserves are already regularly breaking 110 just by being reserves on a daily reserve guarantee. It doesn't save the company anything. It only spreads the flying around to people who don't want to do it.

Smooth at FL450

A tfp max limit will just force more junior guys/gals to commute that would rather give away their trips via TTGA and take their chances closer to home. Open Time isn't the only way to add trips to your board. We already have an open time CAP...