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10-27-2021 | 04:34 AM
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That's essentially right. The only caveat is that this shows current activated pilots, ones who are in training (or waiting to go to training) aren't on here. We do our seat bids different than most, where we have a huge massive bid about once a year, then train in "near" seniority order. We are ending the cycle from the last bid so I'd imagine the pilots in training or waiting to go are going to add to the juniority of that seat. I know the past few bids we've had sub-2 year Captain slots awarded (some seats even went to people not even off probation), but by the time they trained they weren't junior anymore. I'll see if I can dig up the results of the last bid to see where people were when they were awarded the seat.
Wow. That's pretty awesome.
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10-27-2021 | 04:43 AM
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Interestingly when I looked at it, progress for me was slow at first but I'd retire at a higher percent at Southwest. This is due to many younger folks ahead of me at Delta at United. I'm not young, but I was in the bottom third of my class here and at the time they hired an older crowd. I'd never be a 777 Captain at Delta or United. However, my 2% system seniority at age 65 at Southwest just means I get to pick the days I work...other than that I'll be doing the same flying I did my first trip off IOE.
The one thing I would go back and tell my younger self though would be to take a serious looks at Fedex/UPS.
The one thing I would go back and tell my younger self though would be to take a serious looks at Fedex/UPS.
10-27-2021 | 04:45 AM
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It's good and bad. Bad when you are a 757 FO flying all the garbage trips while newhires get trained on the 777. You used to get full bypass pay as soon as someone junior to you gets trained on the category you bid but I believe that is now reduced to a fixed value.
10-27-2021 | 04:46 AM
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Interestingly when I looked at it, progress for me was slow at first but I'd retire at a higher percent at Southwest. This is due to many younger folks ahead of me at Delta at United. I'm not young, but I was in the bottom third of my class here and at the time they hired an older crowd. I'd never be a 777 Captain at Delta or United. However, my 2% system seniority at age 65 at Southwest just means I get to pick the days I work...other than that I'll be doing the same flying I did my first trip off IOE.
The one thing I would go back and tell my younger self though would be to take a serious looks at Fedex/UPS.
The one thing I would go back and tell my younger self though would be to take a serious looks at Fedex/UPS.
10-27-2021 | 06:00 AM
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Here are the UA numbers as of the last vacancy bid that closed mid September:
Jr pilot on the property at the time of the last vacancy was a DC based 320 FO - seniority 13248
Jr pilot to hold a Captain bid after the vacancy was s SFO based 320 Cap - seniority 12075
12075/13248 = 91.1%
Jr pilot to hold a 756 Captain bid after the vacancy was a LAX 756 Cap - seniority 8600
8600/13248 = 64.9%
Jr pilot to hold a 777 or 787 Captain bid after the vacancy was a SFO 777 Cap - seniority 4580
4580/13248 = 34.6%
We are expecting another vacancy bid any day now which may change these numbers. Currently hiring about 45 per week, so the junior pilot shown back in September (13248) already has about 250 pilots junior to him
10-27-2021 | 06:39 AM
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Just for the denominator, the bottom 757 FO was 5164. So junior 757 Capt was 87% and junior WB guy (A300) was 76%
Edit: I just looked and actually the junior pilot on property (#5165) was a 767FO. It doesn't change the numbers, but I figure I'd correct my post.
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10-27-2021 | 09:44 AM
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Here are the UA numbers as of the last vacancy bid that closed mid September:
Jr pilot on the property at the time of the last vacancy was a DC based 320 FO - seniority 13248
Jr pilot to hold a Captain bid after the vacancy was s SFO based 320 Cap - seniority 12075
12075/13248 = 91.1%
Jr pilot to hold a 756 Captain bid after the vacancy was a LAX 756 Cap - seniority 8600
8600/13248 = 64.9%
Jr pilot to hold a 777 or 787 Captain bid after the vacancy was a SFO 777 Cap - seniority 4580
4580/13248 = 34.6%
We are expecting another vacancy bid any day now which may change these numbers. Currently hiring about 45 per week, so the junior pilot shown back in September (13248) already has about 250 pilots junior to him
Jr pilot on the property at the time of the last vacancy was a DC based 320 FO - seniority 13248
Jr pilot to hold a Captain bid after the vacancy was s SFO based 320 Cap - seniority 12075
12075/13248 = 91.1%
Jr pilot to hold a 756 Captain bid after the vacancy was a LAX 756 Cap - seniority 8600
8600/13248 = 64.9%
Jr pilot to hold a 777 or 787 Captain bid after the vacancy was a SFO 777 Cap - seniority 4580
4580/13248 = 34.6%
We are expecting another vacancy bid any day now which may change these numbers. Currently hiring about 45 per week, so the junior pilot shown back in September (13248) already has about 250 pilots junior to him
Now there’s some cold, hard perspective…
At Southwest, it’s right around 62%.
So… the question is, why would a pilot come to Southwest, and more importantly, why would a new Southwest pilot stay at Southwest?
10-27-2021 | 09:45 AM
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