1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest
11-03-2023, 02:30 PM
#1511
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 38
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Lmao. You shouldn’t sit through two hours of Dallas traffic on company provided transportation for 10 TFP? Did I read that right?
🔥👇
🔥👇
Yeah some things are worth it. Others are not. You vote how you want. Co Basing is a no go on this end. I think I made it pretty clear why. Your argument might be "well they will compensate me for this consession." I get it. But it doesn't change the fact that it's a consession.
Last edited by Grishka; 11-03-2023 at 02:54 PM.
11-03-2023, 02:54 PM
#1512
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 195
Originally Posted by Grishka
Correct. But while we are at it. Let's just settle for a one page contract including only TFP. How many TFP would it take to let the company have its way with you?
Yeah some things are worth it. Others are not. You vote how you want. Co Basing is a no go on this end. I think I made it pretty clear why. Your argument might be well they will compensate me for this consession. I get it. But it doesn't change the fact that it's a consession.
Yeah some things are worth it. Others are not. You vote how you want. Co Basing is a no go on this end. I think I made it pretty clear why. Your argument might be well they will compensate me for this consession. I get it. But it doesn't change the fact that it's a consession.
I have done lots more for less in my life, just like Ted in Ted2…..
11-03-2023, 03:00 PM
#1513
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 460
Originally Posted by ElonMusk
I get you don’t want it but don’t name it a concession. It is not one at all. It’s something new being added to the contract. I personally will sit through 2 hours of traffic for 2500 bucks, about to be a lot more. Do that a few times a month and that’s a pretty good return. Now I will not do that for free but I am willing to at least listen to see what they want to offer before I say no.
I have done lots more for less in my life, just like Ted in Ted2…..
I have done lots more for less in my life, just like Ted in Ted2…..
11-03-2023, 04:16 PM
#1514
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,135
Originally Posted by golfandflows
yep. a concession is giving something back. this is new. and if appropriately compensated for it, then its a win / win for the company and pilots.
uh, what? ….. it’s an extra 2 hours of driving and it’s unpaid for line holders and blanks.
This is a concession.
11-03-2023, 05:29 PM
#1515
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,654
Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
uh, what? ….. it’s an extra 2 hours of driving and it’s unpaid for line holders and blanks.
This is a concession.
This is a concession.
🔥👇
11-03-2023, 05:48 PM
#1517
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,654
Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
I know that because I read what the union put out.
If you bury your head in the sand far enough, your @55 is in the perfect position to get f_cked.
.
If you bury your head in the sand far enough, your @55 is in the perfect position to get f_cked.
.
Sorry. I must’ve missed that and I’m pretty good about staying informed. Again, co-domiciles stand a chance to really screw me in my situation so they’d have to REALLY sweeten the pot to get me to buy off on them. That said….I’m receptive to the sales pitch.
🔥👇
11-03-2023, 06:28 PM
#1518
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 38
Originally Posted by golfandflows
yep. a concession is giving something back. this is new. and if appropriately compensated for it, then its a win / win for the company and pilots.
- admit that something is true or valid after first denying or resisting it.
- surrender or yield (something that one possesses).
The concession is surrendering a single airport as our base. Or yielding the company a freedom we do not allow today.
com·pro·mise
- an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.
Agreeing to be compensated for this concession makes this by definition a compromise. Call it what you want. It is not necessary nor does it position us to any real benefit as a group.
But if it makes you feel better not calling it a concession, then dont. Labels don't change the reality. Its a pandoras box, even if the SWA gods gifted you 10 TFPs inside.
Last edited by Grishka; 11-03-2023 at 07:11 PM.
11-04-2023, 12:05 AM
#1519
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,677
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
UNPAID?! How do you know that? We literally know zero about any co-domicile language and yet many of you are pontificating one way or the other. Can we at least wait for the language? Personally, co-domiciles stand to royally screw me but I’m not getting worked up about it (yet).
🔥👇
🔥👇
Last week, SWAPA announced our fully AIPed Planning and Reserve sections, which accomplished all of the C2020 goals we aimed to achieve based on polling data and member feedback. One item that helped achieve progress was exploring a Company proposal of potentially incorporating co-domiciles. While this was a late ask by the Company, SWAPA only agreed to it after shaping a very limited framework. Here is a brief recap of what we’ve agreed to that covers some, but not all, of the restrictions that will ensure a SWAPA Pilot's quality of life would not be negatively impacted by co-terminal pairings:
We also expect that the opening of co-terminals would allow more uncovered flying to be processed through Open Time, for which we are still working on codifying language in the still-open sections of Additional Flying and Schedule Execution. As we discuss scheduling with senior SWA leadership, your SRC would like to remind Pilots that many of our scheduling proposals are available for review on the Contract 2020 Blueprint for Success site.
- Pairings will only be allowed to begin and end in the same station, with the exception to allow a Pilot to request return to the other station to prevent an unscheduled overnight.
- First-round hard lines will only be allowed to be built out of one station.
- Co-terminal lines will be limited to 20% of the total hard lines built in that domicile.
- Co-terminals at initial launch include DAL/DFW, HOU/IAH, and MDW/ORD.
- New co-terminals will only be opened with mutual agreement between SWAPA and the Company.
- Reassignments requiring ground transportation between stations are strictly prohibited, but a Pilot will have the option to request waiving double deadheads between stations to take ground transportation.
- Reserve callout time for a co-terminal will be three hours.
- Reserves will be given premium for a callout that is less than three hours to the co-terminal.
- Reserves will not be added onto a different co-terminal than the one they are returning to.
- Reserves will be reimbursed for taxi, Uber, or equivalent transportation when covering co-terminal flying.
We also expect that the opening of co-terminals would allow more uncovered flying to be processed through Open Time, for which we are still working on codifying language in the still-open sections of Additional Flying and Schedule Execution. As we discuss scheduling with senior SWA leadership, your SRC would like to remind Pilots that many of our scheduling proposals are available for review on the Contract 2020 Blueprint for Success site.
Plenty of other info on C2020 page where MS answers some questions and addresses that they addressed the shortcomings that the legacies have in their co-terminal language.
11-04-2023, 04:09 AM
#1520
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,654
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Here's what the union put out:
Plenty of other info on C2020 page where MS answers some questions and addresses that they addressed the shortcomings that the legacies have in their co-terminal language.
Plenty of other info on C2020 page where MS answers some questions and addresses that they addressed the shortcomings that the legacies have in their co-terminal language.
🔥👇
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
