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02-03-2023 | 08:54 AM
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The longer they draw this out, the better off we are in terms of the final product. Had they agreed to everything we wanted in 2020.....we'd be so far behind it wouldn't even be funny.
02-03-2023 | 09:01 AM
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I don't think we're quite to the point of hiring CFI's. B6, NK and F9 are all hiring low time RJ FO's with 1500TT and unrestricted ATP's, and it's not helping their attrition any....as soon as those guys have the time to leave they're going to DL, AA, UAL. We will still have attrition, but we haven't seen that level of attrition yet. I'd guess with a new CBA our attrition will come down some, but if you lived in a legacy base with their quick upgrades....it's hard to beat even if a topped out CA makes $400/tfp
02-03-2023 | 09:08 AM
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I don't think we're quite to the point of hiring CFI's. B6, NK and F9 are all hiring low time RJ FO's with 1500TT and unrestricted ATP's, and it's not helping their attrition any....as soon as those guys have the time to leave they're going to DL, AA, UAL. We will still have attrition, but we haven't seen that level of attrition yet. I'd guess with a new CBA our attrition will come down some, but if you lived in a legacy base with their quick upgrades....it's hard to beat even if a topped out CA makes $400/tfp
But you're right... the math of staying here currently just doesn't make much sense if you're on the bottom of the seniority list, or even if you're a commuter.
02-03-2023 | 09:30 AM
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I don't think we're quite to the point of hiring CFI's. B6, NK and F9 are all hiring low time RJ FO's with 1500TT and unrestricted ATP's, and it's not helping their attrition any....as soon as those guys have the time to leave they're going to DL, AA, UAL. We will still have attrition, but we haven't seen that level of attrition yet. I'd guess with a new CBA our attrition will come down some, but if you lived in a legacy base with their quick upgrades....it's hard to beat even if a topped out CA makes $400/tfp
02-03-2023 | 12:29 PM
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Their are definitely provisions in our current CBA that need attention. I would argue though that our health care is pretty damn good here. All of my friends at other carriers have to pay premium's in their health insurance plans. We do not unless you choose the choice plans. Max out of pocket of 2500 bucks which includes prescriptions. I haven't had to pay premiums in years. That's a big cost. The other is scope/code sharing. Nobody has the restrictions that we do. The other three have PBS. No thank you. None of them have had 100% retro. No thank you again. I'll take mine. Current CBA gives a 15% NEC. Thats worth 2.5-3.0 million depending what age you get hired here. Thats only the company contribution. That didn't even exist six years ago. Personally I think we should do away with profit sharing as a "benefit". I'll take that in more NEC funding. Sick time and disability need to be revamped. 100% agree on that. We should have the ability to cash a portion of that out and be tied only to sick. That is an 800 million asset to the pilot group we can't get to. And it's also tied to disability. That needs to change.
I see where you are coming from, especially over the last two years here. It has been a ****** show for sure. Seems we roll from crisis into the next. That is concerning. The pilot pool is dwindling and it's not going to get better anytime soon. WE definitely need industry leading BUT don't take away my healthcare, code sharing/scope. And leave PBS to others. It's healthy to challenge and speak truth to power whether it's the CEO or the SWAPA president. This place has never had a lead industry contract. To get it we may have to walk. Im ready. Vote yes on the SAV and save your money.
I see where you are coming from, especially over the last two years here. It has been a ****** show for sure. Seems we roll from crisis into the next. That is concerning. The pilot pool is dwindling and it's not going to get better anytime soon. WE definitely need industry leading BUT don't take away my healthcare, code sharing/scope. And leave PBS to others. It's healthy to challenge and speak truth to power whether it's the CEO or the SWAPA president. This place has never had a lead industry contract. To get it we may have to walk. Im ready. Vote yes on the SAV and save your money.
And then on the NEC, we are industry-lagging on the company contribution rate and severely lagging in our career retirement fund accumulation. Given our career-average hourly/TFP rates compared to the typical lifetime progression at our peer Big Three airlines, FedEx, and UPS, we would need a dramatically better NEC contribution than them to pull even in terms of end-of-career retirement fund amounts with them. I'm not a tax expert, so even dramatically better rates may not be able to do it once IRS limitations are taken into account (not sure).
Given the amount of hassle involved with the processing of our medical claims, I think it is reasonable to include in C2020 a contractual provision that would allow us to file for reimbursement by our seat position and longevity for the time we have to spend dealing with getting medical claims processed correctly.
02-03-2023 | 01:47 PM
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02-03-2023 | 02:05 PM
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02-03-2023 | 02:06 PM
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I personally think SWA management may even prefer that we’re not a destination airline. As long as jets aren’t falling out of the sky, by morphing into a stepping stone airline, the average longevity step pay rate is kept to a minimum. Cost savings for the company.
Also, younger pilots who want to move on often prefer to be and can better handle being worked like rented mules so that they can more quickly build hours to move on to a place that can provide them with the goodies that go along with industry-leading contracts. Another cost savings for the company.
02-03-2023 | 02:13 PM
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You realize that the 15% NEC is 1% BELOW industry standard and we will only fall further behind in retirement as time goes on… don’t you? I ask only because it sounded like you were praising it and while it’s much better than the old match, it was intentionally provocative to peg us a measly 1% behind everyone else.
02-03-2023 | 02:31 PM
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Are you saying the cult-ure and our work rules aren’t doing it for you? What about all those SWA guys posting their enormous W-2’s on the APC End of Year Salary Survey threads? Doesn’t that make you feel better?
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