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06-30-2023, 04:51 AM
#21
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Position: 737 FO
Posts: 959
Originally Posted by journeybird
TOF says CK laughed when advised about the request for release.
06-30-2023, 06:14 AM
#22
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Posts: 1,188
Sent to me from someone who had SWAPA insider on the JS.
Yes, he shared a few things:
1) the aip’d reserve section is good and will be sought after (no fine details)
2) Watterson says they’re not concerned about cost of the contract, but must maintain their “flexibility”. Recently stated. SWAPA like WTF?! Since when?? Not acting like that…
3) Payrates: latest numbers are to the penny matching 737 rates of American’s offer; also he said there’s a lot of chatter on social media about our members voting no if we don’t get widebody rates- he says that’s not realistic & don’t expect that. A321 neo/757 rates more realistic.
4) Flight ops remains clueless and disfunctional, BJ is deer in the headlights (Gary still in charge), SWAPA is increasing pressure to try to remove the SW board members (institutional investors, etc). Watterson’s really the only guy who knows what’s up, but held back by SW BOD, in his opinion.
5) Sick leave- non starter on limiting yearly accruals, says we need at least 130/yr to be workable, as long as other disability provisions are sufficient. SW says they’re concerned about all the sick leave liability currently on the books (billions- if everyone called in sick till 0 time), so they want to restrict the top out for use/buyback (if I understand it correctly).
6) Negotiating- supposedly also doing sidebar negotiations outside of mediation in DAL using more SME’s going forward, but today’s announcement probably changes that.
Yes, he shared a few things:
1) the aip’d reserve section is good and will be sought after (no fine details)
2) Watterson says they’re not concerned about cost of the contract, but must maintain their “flexibility”. Recently stated. SWAPA like WTF?! Since when?? Not acting like that…
3) Payrates: latest numbers are to the penny matching 737 rates of American’s offer; also he said there’s a lot of chatter on social media about our members voting no if we don’t get widebody rates- he says that’s not realistic & don’t expect that. A321 neo/757 rates more realistic.
4) Flight ops remains clueless and disfunctional, BJ is deer in the headlights (Gary still in charge), SWAPA is increasing pressure to try to remove the SW board members (institutional investors, etc). Watterson’s really the only guy who knows what’s up, but held back by SW BOD, in his opinion.
5) Sick leave- non starter on limiting yearly accruals, says we need at least 130/yr to be workable, as long as other disability provisions are sufficient. SW says they’re concerned about all the sick leave liability currently on the books (billions- if everyone called in sick till 0 time), so they want to restrict the top out for use/buyback (if I understand it correctly).
6) Negotiating- supposedly also doing sidebar negotiations outside of mediation in DAL using more SME’s going forward, but today’s announcement probably changes that.
06-30-2023, 07:02 AM
#23
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 117
Originally Posted by mulcher
Sent to me from someone who had SWAPA insider on the JS.
Yes, he shared a few things:
1) the aip’d reserve section is good and will be sought after (no fine details)
2) Watterson says they’re not concerned about cost of the contract, but must maintain their “flexibility”. Recently stated. SWAPA like WTF?! Since when?? Not acting like that…
3) Payrates: latest numbers are to the penny matching 737 rates of American’s offer; also he said there’s a lot of chatter on social media about our members voting no if we don’t get widebody rates- he says that’s not realistic & don’t expect that. A321 neo/757 rates more realistic.
4) Flight ops remains clueless and disfunctional, BJ is deer in the headlights (Gary still in charge), SWAPA is increasing pressure to try to remove the SW board members (institutional investors, etc). Watterson’s really the only guy who knows what’s up, but held back by SW BOD, in his opinion.
5) Sick leave- non starter on limiting yearly accruals, says we need at least 130/yr to be workable, as long as other disability provisions are sufficient. SW says they’re concerned about all the sick leave liability currently on the books (billions- if everyone called in sick till 0 time), so they want to restrict the top out for use/buyback (if I understand it correctly).
6) Negotiating- supposedly also doing sidebar negotiations outside of mediation in DAL using more SME’s going forward, but today’s announcement probably changes that.
Yes, he shared a few things:
1) the aip’d reserve section is good and will be sought after (no fine details)
2) Watterson says they’re not concerned about cost of the contract, but must maintain their “flexibility”. Recently stated. SWAPA like WTF?! Since when?? Not acting like that…
3) Payrates: latest numbers are to the penny matching 737 rates of American’s offer; also he said there’s a lot of chatter on social media about our members voting no if we don’t get widebody rates- he says that’s not realistic & don’t expect that. A321 neo/757 rates more realistic.
4) Flight ops remains clueless and disfunctional, BJ is deer in the headlights (Gary still in charge), SWAPA is increasing pressure to try to remove the SW board members (institutional investors, etc). Watterson’s really the only guy who knows what’s up, but held back by SW BOD, in his opinion.
5) Sick leave- non starter on limiting yearly accruals, says we need at least 130/yr to be workable, as long as other disability provisions are sufficient. SW says they’re concerned about all the sick leave liability currently on the books (billions- if everyone called in sick till 0 time), so they want to restrict the top out for use/buyback (if I understand it correctly).
6) Negotiating- supposedly also doing sidebar negotiations outside of mediation in DAL using more SME’s going forward, but today’s announcement probably changes that.
06-30-2023, 07:35 AM
#26
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Posts: 1,188
Originally Posted by Caveman
Why are pilots compensated by narrowbody vs wide body, but Dispatchers, FAs, and Mx arent
06-30-2023, 08:13 AM
#27
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 137
Originally Posted by tlamjaj
The thing with the widebody pay rates that nobody seems to be mentioning is that there is not a single airline in the world that has 10,000+ pilots on widebody pay rates. An airline flying only 737s is not going to be the first.
They have 4000, not 10000, but who cares?
Attitudes like yours will be why we might not get paid according to supply and demand (capitalism!) this cycle. What happened in the past is unimportant. We will get as much as we have backbone for.
There WILL NOT BE enough pilots for several years, as stated by every major CEO. Due to only dumb luck (COVID, age 65, 9/11) for the first (and probably last) time in almost every pilot’s career we have ALL the leverage.
PLEASE stop with this ridiculous self-limiting nonsense. Let the market work as it should. CEOs would, unemotionally, cut your pay in a second if the pilot market supported it.
Now, let’s pretend we’re businessmen, not pilots, and without emotion, let’s make it work in our favor for a change.
06-30-2023, 08:18 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 309
Originally Posted by bay982
UPS?
They have 4000, not 10000, but who cares?
Attitudes like yours will be why we might not get paid according to supply and demand (capitalism!) this cycle. What happened in the past is unimportant. We will get as much as we have backbone for.
There WILL NOT BE enough pilots for several years, as stated by every major CEO. Due to only dumb luck (COVID, age 65, 9/11) for the first (and probably last) time in almost every pilot’s career we have ALL the leverage.
PLEASE stop with this ridiculous self-limiting nonsense. Let the market work as it should. CEOs would, unemotionally, cut your pay in a second if the pilot market supported it.
Now, let’s pretend we’re businessmen, not pilots, and without emotion, let’s make it work in our favor for a change.
They have 4000, not 10000, but who cares?
Attitudes like yours will be why we might not get paid according to supply and demand (capitalism!) this cycle. What happened in the past is unimportant. We will get as much as we have backbone for.
There WILL NOT BE enough pilots for several years, as stated by every major CEO. Due to only dumb luck (COVID, age 65, 9/11) for the first (and probably last) time in almost every pilot’s career we have ALL the leverage.
PLEASE stop with this ridiculous self-limiting nonsense. Let the market work as it should. CEOs would, unemotionally, cut your pay in a second if the pilot market supported it.
Now, let’s pretend we’re businessmen, not pilots, and without emotion, let’s make it work in our favor for a change.
06-30-2023, 08:20 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 959
Originally Posted by bay982
UPS?
They have 4000, not 10000, but who cares?
Attitudes like yours will be why we might not get paid according to supply and demand (capitalism!) this cycle. What happened in the past is unimportant. We will get as much as we have backbone for.
There WILL NOT BE enough pilots for several years, as stated by every major CEO. Due to only dumb luck (COVID, age 65, 9/11) for the first (and probably last) time in almost every pilot’s career we have ALL the leverage.
PLEASE stop with this ridiculous self-limiting nonsense. Let the market work as it should. CEOs would, unemotionally, cut your pay in a second if the pilot market supported it.
Now, let’s pretend we’re businessmen, not pilots, and without emotion, let’s make it work in our favor for a change.
They have 4000, not 10000, but who cares?
Attitudes like yours will be why we might not get paid according to supply and demand (capitalism!) this cycle. What happened in the past is unimportant. We will get as much as we have backbone for.
There WILL NOT BE enough pilots for several years, as stated by every major CEO. Due to only dumb luck (COVID, age 65, 9/11) for the first (and probably last) time in almost every pilot’s career we have ALL the leverage.
PLEASE stop with this ridiculous self-limiting nonsense. Let the market work as it should. CEOs would, unemotionally, cut your pay in a second if the pilot market supported it.
Now, let’s pretend we’re businessmen, not pilots, and without emotion, let’s make it work in our favor for a change.
That’s a bingo.
06-30-2023, 08:33 AM
#30
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 117
Originally Posted by bay982
UPS?
They have 4000, not 10000, but who cares?
Attitudes like yours will be why we might not get paid according to supply and demand (capitalism!) this cycle. What happened in the past is unimportant. We will get as much as we have backbone for.
There WILL NOT BE enough pilots for several years, as stated by every major CEO. Due to only dumb luck (COVID, age 65, 9/11) for the first (and probably last) time in almost every pilot’s career we have ALL the leverage.
PLEASE stop with this ridiculous self-limiting nonsense. Let the market work as it should. CEOs would, unemotionally, cut your pay in a second if the pilot market supported it.
Now, let’s pretend we’re businessmen, not pilots, and without emotion, let’s make it work in our favor for a change.
They have 4000, not 10000, but who cares?
Attitudes like yours will be why we might not get paid according to supply and demand (capitalism!) this cycle. What happened in the past is unimportant. We will get as much as we have backbone for.
There WILL NOT BE enough pilots for several years, as stated by every major CEO. Due to only dumb luck (COVID, age 65, 9/11) for the first (and probably last) time in almost every pilot’s career we have ALL the leverage.
PLEASE stop with this ridiculous self-limiting nonsense. Let the market work as it should. CEOs would, unemotionally, cut your pay in a second if the pilot market supported it.
Now, let’s pretend we’re businessmen, not pilots, and without emotion, let’s make it work in our favor for a change.
i have plenty of concerns that will lead me be a no vote. Not topping out at 350 captain rates isn’t one of them.
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