Well, you get one vote. And I'm going to counter yours. No top widebody rate, no yes vote. Repeat after me. "Most successful passenger airline in the history of the world." Let that sink in.

 

In the past there were airlines that had one pay rate for all aircraft (ups and possibly cal) and it was a very good rate. We could justify a similar rate being the most productive pilots in the industry.

 

If the work rules and soft money are in, I'll happily consider A321neo and 757/767 rates. Soft money is where it's at. Screw up the work rules and soft money, and getting Delta A-350 pay rate could in effect become a paycut. The devil is always in the details.

There's A LOT of stuff that needs fixing and incentivizing/disincentivizing. Additionally, messing with the sick leave bank is a nonstarter for me. Our collective sick leave is easily worth 10 figures in liability. In fact, giving them an inch off our sick leave balance could essentially be paying for the whole contract..... So if they want to wipe that liability off the books, then the question to ask the company would be the same one they ask love to ask us - what are you willing to give up for it?

 

I vote no work for DEN base during Thanksgiving and xmas

 

I am very much in this same boat, especially when you consider the TFP conversion, assuming it stays the same. Now I want to be as good/better than everyone else 737 rate, but it isnt a non start for me like many other issues are.

 

Their behavior in the negotiating room (past and present) was a big mistake IMO. The mediator may not agree yet, but laughing at our negotiating chair when he informed them of our intentions just ****ed this pilot group off even more. There is little doubt we will have to take this to the mat. They seem hell bent on destroying every aspect of this once great company. Buckle up.

 

Bring it!!!

 

Yep. Exactly!

 

We'll be better off on the other side of a strike. The last illusion of the Cult's power will be destroyed by pilots burning shoe leather while the operation implodes with just 81 scabs plus management pilots to run it. The economic leverage of 10,000 people walking off, once SWAPA gives the green light, will be readily apparent as investors flee our stock and customers book away. Our beloved genius-level management would be faced with two options: torch the entire thing and walk away with very little as our stock plummets, or capitulate to what will be even greater demands.

The destruction of the cult of this place would pay dividends for the pilot group in the long run. Instead of helping out when management's chips are down, the default response would finally be "FUPM." Maybe then our betters would learn the cost of some things, like delaying and obfuscating employee contracts, and the value of other things, like relatively peaceful labor relations.

 

Too few get this. Just read the weak ass arguments against in the post after you posted. Our productivity commands rates higher than 757/321 NEO rates. which would be 300-340 TFP. That is well under what we should get including the soft and disability improvements. We will yessie yet another lagging contract. Those that think we are worth more are the minority to the just happy to have a job crowd.