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12-21-2023, 03:43 AM
#131
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
Originally Posted by Aero1900
Frontier guy here.
Can someone please give me a quick explanation on the LTD and Retirement?
Appreciate it!
Can someone please give me a quick explanation on the LTD and Retirement?
Appreciate it!
Heres the retirement: https://youtu.be/CNeLsuRQNdY?si=8X822SRDgqsApFGE
12-21-2023, 04:10 AM
#132
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
We’re comparing to DAL 73 and 75 but the big three all have the same pay scales and the 75 and 76 pay the same.
The pay raise is 29+ % which equates to what CAs and FOs get compared to other aircraft, but the intention wasn’t to beat particular aircraft, it was to be a significant pay raise; 29% now and 50% over the duration. If you want more than 76 pay then you need to be at an airline that flies those aircraft.
Whether that’s enough along with all the soft money and other improvements is a personal decision.
The pay raise is 29+ % which equates to what CAs and FOs get compared to other aircraft, but the intention wasn’t to beat particular aircraft, it was to be a significant pay raise; 29% now and 50% over the duration. If you want more than 76 pay then you need to be at an airline that flies those aircraft.
Whether that’s enough along with all the soft money and other improvements is a personal decision.
12-21-2023, 04:12 AM
#133
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,397
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Heres the disability: https://youtu.be/yUxUjONYfgg?si=M5VPP5Rwjqt3uAhN
Heres the retirement: https://youtu.be/CNeLsuRQNdY?si=8X822SRDgqsApFGE
Heres the retirement: https://youtu.be/CNeLsuRQNdY?si=8X822SRDgqsApFGE
12-21-2023, 04:28 AM
#134
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2023
Posts: 219
Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
We’re comparing to DAL 73 and 75 but the big three all have the same pay scales and the 75 and 76 pay the same.
The pay raise is 29+ % which equates to what CAs and FOs get compared to other aircraft, but the intention wasn’t to beat particular aircraft, it was to be a significant pay raise; 29% now and 50% over the duration. If you want more than 76 pay then you need to be at an airline that flies those aircraft.
Whether that’s enough along with all the soft money and other improvements is a personal decision.
The pay raise is 29+ % which equates to what CAs and FOs get compared to other aircraft, but the intention wasn’t to beat particular aircraft, it was to be a significant pay raise; 29% now and 50% over the duration. If you want more than 76 pay then you need to be at an airline that flies those aircraft.
Whether that’s enough along with all the soft money and other improvements is a personal decision.
Last edited by Traffic Alert; 12-21-2023 at 05:00 AM.
12-21-2023, 04:31 AM
#135
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,622
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Okay fellas. My red line was the LTD, no offsets, and NEC. They got it. I’m generally happy.
I’ll let you guys fight it out over a 50% pay raise being too low. Maybe you can persuade 5501 pilots to go along with you.
I’ll let you guys fight it out over a 50% pay raise being too low. Maybe you can persuade 5501 pilots to go along with you.
12-21-2023, 04:53 AM
#136
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by CC268
So Kit Darby is saying 16.3 million in career earnings at SWA and 22 million in career earnings at Delta (over a 40 year career). Where are these numbers coming from? A 6 million dollar difference?
Kit Darby hates SWA and never skips an opportunity to bash them. I attended a career event in the early 90's where he proclaimed that United was going to show Southwest how to run an airline with TED.
12-21-2023, 05:12 AM
#138
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 249
Originally Posted by tulswa
I believe he is using pre-Contract 2020 numbers.
Kit Darby hates SWA and never skips an opportunity to bash them. I attended a career event in the early 90's where he proclaimed that United was going to show Southwest how to run an airline with TED.
Kit Darby hates SWA and never skips an opportunity to bash them. I attended a career event in the early 90's where he proclaimed that United was going to show Southwest how to run an airline with TED.
This!!! His disdain for Southwest was always known. Full disclosure I am an originally tranny but I attended enough of his seminars to remember him saying stuff about Southwest.
12-21-2023, 05:20 AM
#139
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Pilot
Posts: 2,625
Originally Posted by Coolio2000
You need math to tell the difference in not having a wide-body aircraft for part of your career that pays $80 more per hour? We're not even close to competitive in career pay. This was our one chance to fix this problem. We'll never have an enviroment like this again.
12-21-2023, 05:21 AM
#140
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,429
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Heres the disability: https://youtu.be/yUxUjONYfgg?si=M5VPP5Rwjqt3uAhN
Heres the retirement: https://youtu.be/CNeLsuRQNdY?si=8X822SRDgqsApFGE
Heres the retirement: https://youtu.be/CNeLsuRQNdY?si=8X822SRDgqsApFGE
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