Originally Posted by nene

AS pilots thought their plugs were tight until they weren't. Trust is hard thing to regain, it take time.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Personally, I'm not impressed with any internet "experts" and people who claim they "wouldn't get on the xyz plane" because of ABC. They're usually full of doodoo...

I have a very difficult time taking people, who during time of a respiratory illness and flu-like symptoms, made run on stores and depleted the country of, are you ready for this, THE TOILET PAPER! Not vitamins, not severe cold/flu medications, not Zinc... TOILET PAPER! The vitamin and medicines aisle was literally untouched. And all because some boob wrote something on social media that spread like wildfire and the sheeple went after it. Pardon me, but common sense has departed this country a decade or two ago because people are no longer capable to think for themselves. MAX aircraft fly how many hours every DAY? With what accident rate? Or incident rate?

These same people are the same idiots who will happily "forget" their proclamations about "never getting on xyz aircraft" if the price is right, and they'll do it albeit without the similar fanfare as their initial proclamations. Case in point - our MAX aircraft usually tend to get very full and no one gives two feces about it.

Lastly, the 737 has had far worse issues i.e. hardover rudder. Yet we didn't ground it. We fixed it. We addressed it. We didn't ground fleets. We didn't shut down airlines over it. We didn't give every freak a podium and a bullhorn. But now we do... because clickbait sells, and thanks to clickbait nonsense, the standard now is 'Never shall anything ever break or malfunction, for if it does, the whole thing is unsafe.' And self-appointed experts, i.e. useful idiots, are propagating this in the form of further clickbait.

Maybe I'm just getting old and have zero time and no tolerance for self-proclaimed experts who have absolutely ZERO clue about what they're talking about, even if they are from Delta Air Lines.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Personally, I'm not impressed with any internet "experts" and people who claim they "wouldn't get on the xyz plane" because of ABC. They're usually full of doodoo...

I have a very difficult time taking people, who during time of a respiratory illness and flu-like symptoms, made run on stores and depleted the country of, are you ready for this, THE TOILET PAPER! Not vitamins, not severe cold/flu medications, not Zinc... TOILET PAPER! The vitamin and medicines aisle was literally untouched. And all because some boob wrote something on social media that spread like wildfire and the sheeple went after it. Pardon me, but common sense has departed this country a decade or two ago because people are no longer capable to think for themselves. MAX aircraft fly how many hours every DAY? With what accident rate? Or incident rate?

These same people are the same idiots who will happily "forget" their proclamations about "never getting on xyz aircraft" if the price is right, and they'll do it albeit without the similar fanfare as their initial proclamations. Case in point - our MAX aircraft usually tend to get very full and no one gives two feces about it.

Lastly, the 737 has had far worse issues i.e. hardover rudder. Yet we didn't ground it. We fixed it. We addressed it. We didn't ground fleets. We didn't shut down airlines over it. We didn't give every freak a podium and a bullhorn. But now we do... because clickbait sells, and thanks to clickbait nonsense, the standard now is 'Never shall anything ever break or malfunction, for if it does, the whole thing is unsafe.' And self-appointed experts, i.e. useful idiots, are propagating this in the form of further clickbait.

Maybe I'm just getting old and have zero time and no tolerance for self-proclaimed experts who have absolutely ZERO clue about what they're talking about, even if they are from Delta Air Lines.

Originally Posted by Privateer89

Could not be said better!! It’s hard watching people exist in the modern day environment. The media loves fear and panic because they sell, and fear and panic is the easiest thing to get stirred up amongst the masses. Whether it’s China viruses, airplanes crashing, or mass shootings, they know how to get people screaming.

Nevermind the airplanes we all used to fly with a tendency for prop over speeds, super critical wings that could handle zero ice, Air France 447’s issues, RTX engine issues, or the most recent wing spar cracking AD from the EASA on all A320 models. Boeing has contributed to this by not being better, but the media and government have been relentless. It’s like we are all rooting for the largest American exporter to fail.

Originally Posted by Zman81

This needs to be said again and again. When you look at the thousands of companies that rely on Boeing to survive it’s honestly shocking.

Originally Posted by Zard

No one is rooting for them to fail. We want them to be a company that takes its obligations to build aircraft that we trust with our family’s lives seriously. Boeing has proven in the last fifteen years that excellence in engineering and design is secondary to pampering its shareholders. That needs to change or the biggest exporter in the country *will* go out of business.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Lastly, the 737 has had far worse issues i.e. hardover rudder. Yet we didn't ground it. We fixed it. We addressed it. We didn't ground fleets. We didn't shut down airlines over it. We didn't give every freak a podium and a bullhorn. But now we do... because clickbait sells, and thanks to clickbait nonsense, the standard now is 'Never shall anything ever break or malfunction, for if it does, the whole thing is unsafe.' And self-appointed experts, i.e. useful idiots, are propagating this in the form of further clickbait.

Maybe I'm just getting old and have zero time and no tolerance for self-proclaimed experts who have absolutely ZERO clue about what they're talking about, even if they are from Delta Air Lines.

Originally Posted by iahflyr

Would we rather stick with old technology that burns way more fuel, or would we rather have top of the line technology and deal with the occasional recall to make it even safer?

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Now do 737 hardover rudder…. or A320 flying into trees at an air show. Or how about that Embraer that was doing steep turns over ATL a few years back? Ooops….. politics reared its ugly head. This has nothing to do with safety anymore. This is all political theater.

Every airplane or a piece of machinery is liable to malfunction. How many thousands of hours per DAY are flown by MAX aircraft not just in this country but around the world? Unsafe my a$$!

Did we reach the time in history that indeed any malfunction shall be grounds for immediate grounding and never certifying another Boeing jet, and even the one that was used to recertify the previously certified one without itself ever getting certified due to clickbait purposes?