MAX7
09-19-2025 | 06:02 AM
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I think everyone has gotten MAX 7 fatigue. Last year management didn't mention the airplane at all except when asked. This year, it seems with Boeing having different leadership, they openly talk about it at conferences and earnings call's. I'm curious about how many we will take. AW has mentioned a few times now they are not planning on taking as many as they originally ordered. He never gave a number, just that the needs of SWA have changed and the order book for that airplane has changed with it.
09-19-2025 | 06:17 AM
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SWA is coalescing into a hub and spoke carrier, as 2 recent route additions show, tus-phx, and mke- mdw. Lesser need for a smaller aircraft as we pull away from point to point. From Boeing's perspective SWA is the only substantial customer for the -7, while they have a deep order book for the other variants. Even the -7s that currently exist, parked in Moses Lake, SWA doesn't want them cuz they're 7 years old
09-19-2025 | 06:37 AM
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PTP isn't dead. It is SWAs main competitive advantage these days. People will pay $200 more per ticket to not make a connection. Also, hub and spoke would need a smaller plane to feed the hub and bigger planes to fly the trunk flights. I would think TUS-PHX is a great example of a flight that a 150 (or smaller) sized plane would do very well.
09-19-2025 | 07:25 AM
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
09-19-2025 | 07:31 AM
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I have said it before...this is the only merger that would make any sense. Kill a competitor, get aircraft and orders. I don't know if the planes are worth the headache of a whole merger, but of all the stupid theories, this one is the least stupid.
Given the current chaos around the C suite and BOD right now, I highly doubt any sort of merger is going to happen.
Given the current chaos around the C suite and BOD right now, I highly doubt any sort of merger is going to happen.
09-19-2025 | 07:59 AM
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
SWA is coalescing into a hub and spoke carrier, as 2 recent route additions show, tus-phx, and mke- mdw. Lesser need for a smaller aircraft as we pull away from point to point. From Boeing's perspective SWA is the only substantial customer for the -7, while they have a deep order book for the other variants. Even the -7s that currently exist, parked in Moses Lake, SWA doesn't want them cuz they're 7 years old
If anything, hub and spoke more so requires a smaller aircraft to feed the hub.
09-19-2025 | 08:05 AM
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I have said it before...this is the only merger that would make any sense. Kill a competitor, get aircraft and orders. I don't know if the planes are worth the headache of a whole merger, but of all the stupid theories, this one is the least stupid.
Given the current chaos around the C suite and BOD right now, I highly doubt any sort of merger is going to happen.
Given the current chaos around the C suite and BOD right now, I highly doubt any sort of merger is going to happen.
I still think the 195E2 is the better option for those already on property.
09-19-2025 | 08:09 AM
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That said, RJs are high CASM products, so maybe not TOO small.
USAir carried 175 pax in the 757 in 1999.
They carried 144 in the 737-400 (which is the same size as the 800).
Our 737s carry as many people as their 757s did. We cram a lot of people into these suckers, so a smaller airplane is appropriate to feed the “mainline” for lack of a better term.
i like the Breeze idea. I wonder if Neeleman still harbors a grudge from when Herb fired him?
09-19-2025 | 08:13 AM
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I really dont like the idea of breeze pilots who have been there a couple years coming over and bumping our guus down because they were cpt at a start up. I dont want to start an SLI discussion over something that isn't even a strong rumour. I see their planes as something that would fut but thats it. I dont think they are a competetor or have any routes/gates of value.
I still think the 195E2 is the better option for those already on property.
I still think the 195E2 is the better option for those already on property.
Wilmington, Deleware..
Theres money to be made point to point in those markets along with some that Allegiant has a monopoly in.
09-19-2025 | 08:26 AM
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I've been saying that for years. We need a small airplane before we get a bigger one. Smaller airplanes to provide incremental feed to fill a widebody year round.
That said, RJs are high CASM products, so maybe not TOO small.
USAir carried 175 pax in the 757 in 1999.
They carried 144 in the 737-400 (which is the same size as the 800).
Our 737s carry as many people as their 757s did. We cram a lot of people into these suckers, so a smaller airplane is appropriate to feed the “mainline” for lack of a better term.
i like the Breeze idea. I wonder if Neeleman still harbors a grudge from when Herb fired him?
That said, RJs are high CASM products, so maybe not TOO small.
USAir carried 175 pax in the 757 in 1999.
They carried 144 in the 737-400 (which is the same size as the 800).
Our 737s carry as many people as their 757s did. We cram a lot of people into these suckers, so a smaller airplane is appropriate to feed the “mainline” for lack of a better term.
i like the Breeze idea. I wonder if Neeleman still harbors a grudge from when Herb fired him?
An all economy class and we hualed 162 in it. With a 1st class 12 1st class seats we hauled 150.
Little underpowered when full and high/hot.
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