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Old 10-10-2025 | 07:43 AM
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The rumor from Boeing is that in order to expedite development and keep costs from ballooning, they will use the same flight deck that is currently utilized on Max aircraft…
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Old 10-10-2025 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pchansen
The rumor from Boeing is that in order to expedite development and keep costs from ballooning, they will use the same flight deck that is currently utilized on Max aircraft…
I suppose pilot comfort isn’t a selling point so I get it.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pchansen
The rumor from Boeing is that in order to expedite development and keep costs from ballooning, they will use the same flight deck that is currently utilized on Max aircraft…
I'm very doubtful of this, the FAA will not certify it if thats the case due to the 737 cockpit being designed in the 1960s with no EICAS. Not to mention Boeing has spent untold amounts of money on human factors research when developing every clean sheet airplane from the 757/767 onward, it would be incredibly dumb to stick with the switch layout on the overhead for example when they have far better panel designs.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pchansen
The rumor from Boeing is that in order to expedite development and keep costs from ballooning, they will use the same flight deck that is currently utilized on Max aircraft…
Respect for the trolling, and I bet there’s a little truth to it. But; the cheapest and laziest (therefore the most Boeing) way to do it, whilst also being able to certify this piece of vaporware, is to rip off the 787 cockpit. Main panel is already there in the MAX and the MCP is the same. Overhead has to go in order to accommodate EICAS. They could then roll out an abbreviated transition program based on this revolutionary commonality. Then throw in the word ‘transformational’. Done.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 12:49 PM
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Respect for the trolling, and I bet there’s a little truth to it. But; the cheapest and laziest (therefore the most Boeing) way to do it, whilst also being able to certify this piece of vaporware, is to rip off the 787 cockpit. Main panel is already there in the MAX and the MCP is the same. Overhead has to go in order to accommodate EICAS. They could then roll out an abbreviated transition program based on this revolutionary commonality. Then throw in the word ‘transformational’. Done.
If they're gonna rip off a cockpit design, why not the A320? At least take the 787 design and throw in a sidestick... It's going to be FBW anyhow so let's go with the best of all designs. Sidestick and pull-out table is game changing, with respect to cockpit ergonomics and even fatigue management.

Anything but touchscreens. Those suck and have no place in a modern cockpit. Dangerously bad in even light turbulence. If "they" ever make me fly with a touchscreen I'll probably ASAP every single incorrect entry that's caused by finger-fumbling a touchscreen with chop or greater. Give me a button with a nice satisfying positive feedback "click", and a slightly raised edge bezel to brace a finger or thumb against when using in turbulence. That's the ergonomic sweet spot, hits every single measure except eager young engineers and bean counters trying to "prove" they can save money with a new crappy design.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 01:23 PM
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If they're gonna rip off a cockpit design, why not the A320? At least take the 787 design and throw in a sidestick... It's going to be FBW anyhow so let's go with the best of all designs. Sidestick and pull-out table is game changing, with respect to cockpit ergonomics and even fatigue management.

Anything but touchscreens. Those suck and have no place in a modern cockpit. Dangerously bad in even light turbulence. If "they" ever make me fly with a touchscreen I'll probably ASAP every single incorrect entry that's caused by finger-fumbling a touchscreen with chop or greater. Give me a button with a nice satisfying positive feedback "click", and a slightly raised edge bezel to brace a finger or thumb against when using in turbulence. That's the ergonomic sweet spot, hits every single measure except eager young engineers and bean counters trying to "prove" they can save money with a new crappy design.
Boeing originally was going to have a side stick in the 777 since that was the first Boeing fly by wire airplane, but decided against it, they kept the yoke and still put the yoke in the 787.

the yoke is a Boeing thing, it’s not going away.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by flensr
If they're gonna rip off a cockpit design, why not the A320? At least take the 787 design and throw in a sidestick... It's going to be FBW anyhow so let's go with the best of all designs. Sidestick and pull-out table is game changing, with respect to cockpit ergonomics and even fatigue management.

Anything but touchscreens. Those suck and have no place in a modern cockpit. Dangerously bad in even light turbulence. If "they" ever make me fly with a touchscreen I'll probably ASAP every single incorrect entry that's caused by finger-fumbling a touchscreen with chop or greater. Give me a button with a nice satisfying positive feedback "click", and a slightly raised edge bezel to brace a finger or thumb against when using in turbulence. That's the ergonomic sweet spot, hits every single measure except eager young engineers and bean counters trying to "prove" they can save money with a new crappy design.
you sound like one of those guys that was adamant about paper manuals staying in the aircraft. I like to highlight important stuff. Paper works all the time. Well, your iPad has a touchscreen. So does your iPhone that you play candy crush on in turbulence. The touch screens being tested are working perfectly in turbulence. Sorry.

it you love tray tables so much you should go work in a cafeteria.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
you sound like one of those guys that was adamant about paper manuals staying in the aircraft. I like to highlight important stuff. Paper works all the time. Well, your iPad has a touchscreen. So does your iPhone that you play candy crush on in turbulence. The touch screens being tested are working perfectly in turbulence. Sorry.

it you love tray tables so much you should go work in a cafeteria.
Exactly, plus acting like we never make an error with the current setup is disingenuous.
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Old 10-11-2025 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptTX
the yoke is a Boeing thing, it’s not going away.
It's a stupid obsolete thing. So Boeing is stupid and obsolete. Steampunk for the win!
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Old 10-11-2025 | 07:03 PM
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I was totally trolling. In all honesty, I assume that Boeing will make it a common type with the 787 if all possible. Just like the 757/67. If that means a yoke to keep a common type then that’s exactly what we’ll get.
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