southwest files to fly more international
06-13-2025 | 10:28 AM
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Since Boeing and Airbus have hundreds and hundreds of widebody orders (including recently from the ME and India), SWA may have missed the boat in terms of timing for new orders if the hedge fund board members are thinking about international expansion beyond the 737s.
Perhaps it’s time for SWA to jump on the “bat wing” before the queue grows even more (UAL just ordered up to 200 of these things):
https://www.wral.com/amp/22047806/
Perhaps it’s time for SWA to jump on the “bat wing” before the queue grows even more (UAL just ordered up to 200 of these things):
https://www.wral.com/amp/22047806/
06-13-2025 | 10:39 AM
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The original United order of 200 787s (100 firm and 100 options) was updated to 150 firm and 100 options. Only 7 have been delivered so 143 more to go, which won't be completed until 2032 at the earliest. The Boeing production line is already packed beyond 2030 with firm orders, so I can imagine that any new airline that doesn't already have a 787 order is going to have to wait quite a while. Keep in mind that many airlines have options that can also lock up delivery slots, so if SWA wants WB planes they will have to buy existing ones if they are even available, or wait quite a while. Boeing is only delivering about 6 a month right now, and they are over 100 deliveries short. If SWA management wants to do International flying its either going to be a code share, or buy used planes from someone.
06-13-2025 | 02:06 PM
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You can bet that management isn't thinking past next week. Just a distraction from other things like not charging for bags in many cases. We have no future aircraft to fly. This alone could create critical mass before too long. A fun topic would be how to train SWA pilots to fly ABs or can you put patches over patches on a AB?
06-13-2025 | 03:52 PM
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You can bet that management isn't thinking past next week. Just a distraction from other things like not charging for bags in many cases. We have no future aircraft to fly. This alone could create critical mass before too long. A fun topic would be how to train SWA pilots to fly ABs or can you put patches over patches on a AB?
06-13-2025 | 06:12 PM
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Since Boeing and Airbus have hundreds and hundreds of widebody orders (including recently from the ME and India), SWA may have missed the boat in terms of timing for new orders if the hedge fund board members are thinking about international expansion beyond the 737s.
I think we will be in for a 3-5 years of partnerships/codeshares and a fight between the company and SWAPA about PDEWs long before a widebody order.
But if they do decide to, you know both Boeing and Airbus would make some delivery positions appear.
06-13-2025 | 06:52 PM
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You think that if the operator of the world's largest fleet of Boeing aircraft and also an Boeing exclusive customer since 1971 calls up and says "hey, we're interested getting a some of those 787s" and Boeing would tell them sorry but the order book is full?
There were some undisclosed 787 orders but that customer has been named. Not sure if you're looking at a different aircraft.
I think we will be in for a 3-5 years of partnerships/codeshares and a fight between the company and SWAPA about PDEWs long before a widebody order.
But if they do decide to, you know both Boeing and Airbus would make some delivery positions appear.
There were some undisclosed 787 orders but that customer has been named. Not sure if you're looking at a different aircraft.
I think we will be in for a 3-5 years of partnerships/codeshares and a fight between the company and SWAPA about PDEWs long before a widebody order.
But if they do decide to, you know both Boeing and Airbus would make some delivery positions appear.
Based on what BJ has hinted at recently…my bet is that something about a 787 will be announced next year
06-13-2025 | 09:11 PM
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I love the unfettered optimism, but we have been fed this same line of complete BS through the pilot grapevine for the last decade or so at least. I think this company is interested in one thing right now, and that is getting the monkey named Elliot off its back. Once that is done, sure, maybe they will embark on a highly risky project like that to round out the edges of their overall strategy. Right now, though, survival through coordinated bribery is the name of the game.
06-14-2025 | 05:22 AM
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However, we are a long way from operating a WB aircraft. Lot's of other pieces of the puzzle have to come together first.
06-14-2025 | 06:39 AM
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BJ and AW have touted on multiple occasions over the past year that our order book is valuable. They can't sell the order book, and I can't imagine they'd cancel orders based on the discounted price Southwest received after the grounding, which is indeed valuable. So, what are they up to?
According to Boeing, SWA has more than 400 unfilled Max orders and let’s say that the discounted price is $50M per aircraft that brings that value of the book to $20B. That makes Southwest Airlines an even more attractive merger partner, if it could be pulled off.
Crazy, right?
According to Boeing, SWA has more than 400 unfilled Max orders and let’s say that the discounted price is $50M per aircraft that brings that value of the book to $20B. That makes Southwest Airlines an even more attractive merger partner, if it could be pulled off.
Crazy, right?
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