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Old 06-01-2025 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
is PDEW a measure of passengers who originate or continue on SWA metal or of total passengers flying in a particular market?
126.Passengers Daily Each Way (PDEW): Number of daily passengers each way between the origin and the destination. This is calculated from an average between Sabre Global Demand and PaxIS. If one (1) or both are unavailable, the Company and the Association will mutually agree on alternate vendor(s) to calculate the average on a per day of offered service basis in the market research phase. Once service begins, the Company agrees to share all ticket data with the Association on these routes.
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Old 06-01-2025 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
JetBlue is doing London, Paris, Madrid with a 321. We can easily do it in the Max from BWI. Would need something bigger to go much further east or a NE jumping spot.
If you are looking for a roadmap for SWA doing long International as far as an airline to emulate, it’s not JBLU. SWA carried 175 million passengers last year vs 29 million for JBLU. Very broad network vs a highly concentrated network.
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Old 06-01-2025 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
SWA is a big ship with a tiny rudder, though.
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That has been a perfect analogy of this place over the decades but I don’t think it applies much anymore. Elliott attached their $70 billion rudder to SWA and I get the feeling we are going hard over in the coming months.
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Old 06-01-2025 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by REF 5
If you are looking for a roadmap for SWA doing long International as far as an airline to emulate, it’s not JBLU. SWA carried 175 million passengers last year vs 29 million for JBLU. Very broad network vs a highly concentrated network.
My comment was more of a....our planes can do what other airlines planes do without us requiring a new type to do it. Not necessarily that we should....just that we can.
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Old 06-01-2025 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
is PDEW a measure of passengers who originate or continue on SWA metal or of total passengers flying in a particular market?
Depends on how you are using it. In the context of the pacific region in our contract and the 875 limit, it’s the amount of passengers that touch that region and Southwest aircraft

When looking at near international, it’s the total, since we can easily serve those markets. The PDEW limit is also much more restrictive for near international.

Certainly a very complex part of our contract.
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Old 06-01-2025 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Proximity
Depends on how you are using it. In the context of the pacific region in our contract and the 875 limit, it’s the amount of passengers that touch that region and Southwest aircraft

When looking at near international, it’s the total, since we can easily serve those markets. The PDEW limit is also much more restrictive for near international.

Certainly a very complex part of our contract.
thank you. This was the answer I was looking for.
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Old 06-12-2025 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by meahPilot
https://www.reuters.com/business/sou...rk-2025-05-13/

where you think? Canada or something?
Since Boeing and Airbus have hundreds and hundreds of widebody orders (including recently from the ME and India), SWA may have missed the boat in terms of timing for new orders if the hedge fund board members are thinking about international expansion beyond the 737s.

Perhaps it’s time for SWA to jump on the “bat wing” before the queue grows even more (UAL just ordered up to 200 of these things):

https://www.wral.com/amp/22047806/
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Old 06-12-2025 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Since Boeing and Airbus have hundreds and hundreds of widebody orders (including recently from the ME and India), SWA may have missed the boat in terms of timing for new orders if the hedge fund board members are thinking about international expansion beyond the 737s.

Perhaps it’s time for SWA to jump on the “bat wing” before the queue grows even more (UAL just ordered up to 200 of these things):

https://www.wral.com/amp/22047806/


They will just buy slots, won't start big. prob start off with like 10. easy to get moved up
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Old 06-13-2025 | 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by meahPilot
They will just buy slots, won't start big. prob start off with like 10. easy to get moved up
Agreed. Airline are routinely delaying orders or selling off slots as their demand changes.
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Old 06-13-2025 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Agreed. Airline are routinely delaying orders or selling off slots as their demand changes.
just look at what SWA is doing with their Max order book…
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