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11-20-2025 | 02:49 PM
#471
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The whole intent of Domicile Right of Return is so that prior to anyone else bidding into domicile, the displaced pilots will return first. That is not how it happens under the current system. That's not ok no matter how you feel about seniority. That's what being in a union is all about. The guys on top have to give a little for the collective good. We bargain and receive our benefits as a group. All this talk about honoring seniority is driven by a few greedy pilots. The company will always exploit loopholes. That's how this process works. We do it too.
11-20-2025 | 04:48 PM
#473
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From: B737 Left Seat
At a previous airline, displacements on bid for where seniority could hold. There was no provision for a right of return. If you weren’t senior enough for base and equipment…you are SOL. I was displaced three times on four fleet types so I understand…
11-20-2025 | 04:50 PM
#474
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The whole intent of Domicile Right of Return is so that prior to anyone else bidding into domicile, the displaced pilots will return first. That is not how it happens under the current system. That's not ok no matter how you feel about seniority. That's what being in a union is all about. The guys on top have to give a little for the collective good. We bargain and receive our benefits as a group. All this talk about honoring seniority is driven by a few greedy pilots. The company will always exploit loopholes. That's how this process works. We do it too.
DRR gets 100% of the positive vacancies back into their base.
The company created this problem by displacing people then setting the vacancy to zero.
Company negotiators love it when they displace pilots and then trick the pilot group into blaming each other…… don’t fall for it, the company owns this 100%.
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11-20-2025 | 04:52 PM
#475
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Numerous pilots bid into another base for September in order to enhance their vacation prospects. They successfully bid into bases with displaced pilots. That bases displaced pilots keep commuting. The next month those ‘enhanced vacation’ pilots bid back into their previous base. That base also has pilots displaced. They continue to commute.
The DRR language is toothless and ineffective. By design. Both sides negotiating it knew what the words meant. Neither cared. Both had different reasons for not caring.
The DRR language is toothless and ineffective. By design. Both sides negotiating it knew what the words meant. Neither cared. Both had different reasons for not caring.
The company created this problem by displacing people then setting the vacancy to zero.
DRR gets 100% of the positive vacancies back into their base.
Company negotiators love it when they displace pilots and then trick the pilot group into blaming each other…… don’t fall for it, the company owns this 100%.
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11-20-2025 | 05:30 PM
#476
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The company created this problem by displacing people then setting the vacancy to zero.
DRR gets 100% of the positive vacancies back into their base.
Company negotiators love it when they displace pilots and then trick the pilot group into blaming each other…… don’t fall for it, the company owns this 100%.
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DRR gets 100% of the positive vacancies back into their base.
Company negotiators love it when they displace pilots and then trick the pilot group into blaming each other…… don’t fall for it, the company owns this 100%.
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The intent of DRR is so that the displaced return to their base prior to any other bidders. The union didn’t anticipate no hiring and 5% of the seniority list being tossed from their base.
Company exploited a loophole and you don’t care as long as you get yours. We have no leg to fight this as they’re following the the CBA. Saying the company should pay heavily is meaningless since there’s nothing you can do to make that happen. This is one downside to having a single fleet….multiple fleets make displacements cost prohibitive.
11-20-2025 | 07:47 PM
#478
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This is my first airline but I’m catching on to the negotiating strategy and it’s painful. We continually get punched in the nose until we negotiate that we can’t be punched in the nose. Then we’re continually punched in the ear until we negotiate that we can’t be punched in the ear. Then we’re continuously punched in the eye until we negotiate that we can’t be punched in the eye anymore.
It gets really bad at contract time. then we start to get punched and kicked in five places but union “negotiating capital” says we can only negotiate the pain to stop in 2-3 places.
It gets really bad at contract time. then we start to get punched and kicked in five places but union “negotiating capital” says we can only negotiate the pain to stop in 2-3 places.
11-21-2025 | 03:22 AM
#479
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You forgot the part about the 5 people in the pilot group incessantly and hatefully harping on the union failures without ever actually putting their own name on the ballots or showing up for all-call recruitment for committees. Those people owe everything they have here to the folks at SWAPA who got it for them, but they never pass up a chance to find something to try to blame both the union as a whole or someone in particular for. You can identify most of them because they're the ones asking questions they already know the answer to, hoping someone at the union will bite on the bait and become the face of the apparently endemic union failures that have destroyed all of our lives. Because as you can see, there's nothing but miserable poverty and victimhood here (where's that rolleyes icon when you need it)
11-21-2025 | 05:37 AM
#480
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Not super senior, but OAK is quite small. Has around 300 total FOs, making it the third smallest base in the system behind ATL and LAX. The seniority spread there is pretty normal, so I would say the progression is good when hiring and upgrading is going on, which it should be soon. I highly doubt it is going to grow by any appreciable amount any time soon. Time to hold it is unknown since we are currently in a weird state with lots of displacements, but I would guess inside 6 months once hiring starts. In the past it has gone quite junior since commuting there has challenges. Good base wrt people and flying.
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