“Callouts”
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This one guy said landing gear but I would have sworn he said banding smear and I was like whaaaaat, totally in the red for the next 20 minutes. I was going to pull myself from the flight and call pro standards but I just sent a note to chief instead, figure that guy gets paid to deal with that kind of thing. All of that was a lie I didn't actually.
I do personally like a courtesy call from PF when they shift their aimpoint short to a visual-only reference that deviates from whatever glideslope guidance we've been using up to that point. Shared mental model and all that, plus I've been there when a guy caught the top wire of a perimeter fence and dragged close to 200 ft of wire cable around the airport and over to the ramp. To me as PM that means early notification I should direct my attention to us not whacking something on a potentially drug-in final instead of monitoring the previously used glideslope we were referencing. I've been there when it happened more than once, thankfully I wasn't the one actually in the plane that caught the fence or pole or powerline or whatever. And all of that means I actually do appreciate the informal notification that not only are visual references being used, they're intentionally deviating from the glidepath reference we've been using. Because I don't want to be the next guy dragging the fencing over to parking.
I don't care what words someone uses when changing from one glidepath reference to another, since we don't have a standard for it. Heck, just make a BRRRRRTTTTT sound if you're a hog driver and want to relive the past when you dip the nose towards brick one, I don't care. Saves me from burning one of my few remaining brain cells wondering if it's intentional or you're having a heart attack or avoiding a flock of birds or whatever.
I do personally like a courtesy call from PF when they shift their aimpoint short to a visual-only reference that deviates from whatever glideslope guidance we've been using up to that point. Shared mental model and all that, plus I've been there when a guy caught the top wire of a perimeter fence and dragged close to 200 ft of wire cable around the airport and over to the ramp. To me as PM that means early notification I should direct my attention to us not whacking something on a potentially drug-in final instead of monitoring the previously used glideslope we were referencing. I've been there when it happened more than once, thankfully I wasn't the one actually in the plane that caught the fence or pole or powerline or whatever. And all of that means I actually do appreciate the informal notification that not only are visual references being used, they're intentionally deviating from the glidepath reference we've been using. Because I don't want to be the next guy dragging the fencing over to parking.
I don't care what words someone uses when changing from one glidepath reference to another, since we don't have a standard for it. Heck, just make a BRRRRRTTTTT sound if you're a hog driver and want to relive the past when you dip the nose towards brick one, I don't care. Saves me from burning one of my few remaining brain cells wondering if it's intentional or you're having a heart attack or avoiding a flock of birds or whatever.
#36
Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with the call outs? Don't even find them that tough to incorporate. Ive noticed it has cut down a lot on one guy changing the FMC without verifying with the monkey sitting next to him. There was way too much of that going on before. The "double-v" in VVMI was seriously lacking in the cockpit with some crewmembers, and I would hope that bringing some standardization to the line would keep us from creating more "ops day"-like situations. Sadly, the whispers I hear around the sims during recurrent don't really reflect that.
#39
Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with the call outs? Don't even find them that tough to incorporate. Ive noticed it has cut down a lot on one guy changing the FMC without verifying with the monkey sitting next to him. There was way too much of that going on before. The "double-v" in VVMI was seriously lacking in the cockpit with some crewmembers, and I would hope that bringing some standardization to the line would keep us from creating more "ops day"-like situations. Sadly, the whispers I hear around the sims during recurrent don't really reflect that.
So if ATC says slow to .75 and I put it in there do I really need the guy to tell me to execute what we were both just told? Is it so irreparable that there is no way we could fix it beofre it's too late?
routes matter as fixing a mistake can take a bit or not catching one could be bad.
Everything else could have said " hey verify with the FMA it did what you wanted it to do, silently".
Guys are just blurting words out to act like they are doing it. No one is paying attention still.
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