“Callouts”
03-10-2026 | 05:42 PM
#61
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Had a guy fly a RNAV approach in level change recently.
this exact scenario was played during ops day. He had no idea till I said something he was in level change.
these callouts do not catch anything. No one looks at the FMA
this exact scenario was played during ops day. He had no idea till I said something he was in level change.
these callouts do not catch anything. No one looks at the FMA
03-10-2026 | 05:44 PM
#62
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By day 4 I'm doing a mix of new and old and neither of us cares anymore.
03-10-2026 | 06:14 PM
#63
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03-10-2026 | 06:53 PM
#65
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Good job being on top of things and preventing this guy’s attempt to make the news!
03-11-2026 | 06:26 AM
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But you were the PM and caught it (presumably by looking at the FMA). The callouts aren’t designed to prevent errors, they’re designed to catch them. Should he have been verifying his selections on the fma as well? Sure, but the PF/PM system seems to have worked and that’s what we’re striving to improve on.
03-11-2026 | 07:19 AM
#67
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But you were the PM and caught it (presumably by looking at the FMA). The callouts aren’t designed to prevent errors, they’re designed to catch them. Should he have been verifying his selections on the fma as well? Sure, but the PF/PM system seems to have worked and that’s what we’re striving to improve on.
That would be better than some pilots just repeating back what was pushed.
That's my point
03-11-2026 | 09:35 AM
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03-11-2026 | 10:01 AM
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I have been trying my level best to do the callouts like they are written. After 2 months of it, I mostly agree with the comments above. When things get busy, that’s the first thing I shed and go back to good old VVMI. Ever try getting a clearance with 3 things and doing it by the book? It takes a solid minute just to get the words out. Then you forget something and have to ask again and then do it over again. This does feel a whole lot like AirTran finally getting their last dig in.
Here’s a crazy idea. There’s two of us, both of us need to do a better job of doing and verifying. Hold each other accountable. We don’t need to say more things to make that happen (or not since the PE doesn’t do any PV apparently).
Here’s a crazy idea. There’s two of us, both of us need to do a better job of doing and verifying. Hold each other accountable. We don’t need to say more things to make that happen (or not since the PE doesn’t do any PV apparently).
03-11-2026 | 10:11 AM
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I have been trying my level best to do the callouts like they are written. After 2 months of it, I mostly agree with the comments above. When things get busy, that’s the first thing I shed and go back to good old VVMI. Ever try getting a clearance with 3 things and doing it by the book? It takes a solid minute just to get the words out. Then you forget something and have to ask again and then do it over again. This does feel a whole lot like AirTran finally getting their last dig in.
Here’s a crazy idea. There’s two of us, both of us need to do a better job of doing and verifying. Hold each other accountable. We don’t need to say more things to make that happen (or not since the PE doesn’t do any PV apparently).
Here’s a crazy idea. There’s two of us, both of us need to do a better job of doing and verifying. Hold each other accountable. We don’t need to say more things to make that happen (or not since the PE doesn’t do any PV apparently).
