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Old 09-03-2011 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Don't kid yourself, Oscar. If this goes down with what your management threw at our MC and then threatened them with, it will be a complete chitfest. In the crewrooms, cockpits, jumpseats, layover bars, whatever. There goes your CULTure! Bu bye!
I disagree. Just because I don't like something in life doesn't mean I take it out on every one I meet.

I plan to hang with my SW buddy in a day or two from now. No animosity toward other pilots, not from me.
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Old 09-03-2011 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Don't kid yourself, Oscar. If this goes down with what your management threw at our MC and then threatened them with, it will be a complete chitfest. In the crewrooms, cockpits, jumpseats, layover bars, whatever. There goes your CULTure! Bu bye!
i think i like John Deere's response to this
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Old 09-03-2011 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnDeere
I disagree. Just because I don't like something in life doesn't mean I take it out on every one I meet.

I plan to hang with my SW buddy in a day or two from now. No animosity toward other pilots, not from me.

In talking to a very large number of our fellow pilots the last few days, I'd say that your sentiment is DEFINITELY in the minority. It's not going to be pretty to say the least. Don't kid yourself.
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Old 09-03-2011 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
In talking to a very large number of our fellow pilots the last few days, I'd say that your sentiment is DEFINITELY in the minority. It's not going to be pretty to say the least. Don't kid yourself.
You may be correct. In that case, there will probably be strategic firings from both groups.
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Old 09-03-2011 | 05:30 PM
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Remember, the ValuJet guys paid for their types too. Of course we ATers have a high opinion of SW and their position in the airline world. However we weren't sitting in leaky boat waiting to be rescued. We have been fighting for close to two decades to make a good company with considerable adversity. By almost every metric we were succeeding.

Some on the SW side seem to think we should be happy with the money, with no other considerations. We did not ask for this, but feel we bring value to the table. Most of us will be very happy to work hard and use our skills to the benefit of SW and will adapt to the culture to SW's satisfaction. We have become very sensitive to disrespect from management, and are disappointed that we are headed to being second class at our new home. Forever being the "others" is not what we imagined.

I believe a small amount of respect for our position will bring large dividends for the "real" SW pilots. Both near and long term.
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Old 09-03-2011 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnDeere
You may be correct. In that case, there will probably be strategic firings from both groups.
+1, couldn't agree more.
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Old 09-03-2011 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Don't kid yourself, Oscar. If this goes down with what your management threw at our MC and then threatened them with, it will be a complete chitfest. In the crewrooms, cockpits, jumpseats, layover bars, whatever. There goes your CULTure! Bu bye!
WM,

Well that is certainly one way to react to not getting what you want. Wait a minute wasn't it the SWA guys who were pitching a hissy. As I said, mature professional pilots would at least keep it out of the cockpit. Within the company guidelines on employee conduct those other areas you mentioned will be civil also. Mistreatment of anyone on both sides will result in a public beheading.

I have been having this type of discussion with some of our more upset pilots. By mistreating each other in the workplace we are really only hurting ourselves, our families, etc. If you can't bring yourself to work with the opposition in this debate than perhaps a resignation is in order. Works both ways.


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Old 09-03-2011 | 06:04 PM
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The latest grumblings on our side is that AT pay for the 717 is unacceptable. We haven't seen squat and our BOD is still discussing the merits of the deal. Hopefully that will be fixed if true. Regardless, our section 6 opens next year(though I wouldn't mind waiting for DAL).

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Old 09-03-2011 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by iFlyer
Nice, jetpilot, except they didn't ask to join your company - your company executives saw enough value (pardon the pun) to acquire and bring THEM "inside" at SWA rates, thus eliminating a true low-cost competitor. This road obviously seems more beneficial to the future(changed) direction of the company - it just may be contrary to that organic growth you as a pilot naturally prefer. Sounds like your beef really lies with your own company.



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Old 09-03-2011 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
Are you saying swa pilots are immoral?
Simply amazing. And we wonder how these threads get off track. Stop while you're ahead with the immature flame baiting.
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