Southwest hiring info
03-15-2013, 08:43 AM
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Wow, one of the lowest "costs" for flying people around AND aircraft that do nothin' but make money because they OWN them---AND the lowest DEBT of any non-bankrupt or bankrupt carrier. HMMMMM! Sounds like a recipe for success. But, I wouldn't want to be a WN cheerleader.
03-15-2013, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by javaguy141
Wow, one of the lowest "costs" for flying people around AND aircraft that do nothin' but make money because they OWN them---AND the lowest DEBT of any non-bankrupt or bankrupt carrier. HMMMMM! Sounds like a recipe for success. But, I wouldn't want to be a WN cheerleader.
Touch down in Tokyo? Last I heard it was about $10,000 for the landing fee.
Yeah....flying international comes with a HUGE increase in cost as the foreign governments reach deep into your pockets.
I don't think they allow pizza parties to get special treatment either.
03-15-2013, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by untied
Some of the cost difference is due to international flying. If you go through Russian airspace, they charge you $5,000. Norway charges $1,200 to go through 300 miles of their airspace.
Touch down in Tokyo? Last I heard it was about $10,000 for the landing fee.
Yeah....flying international comes with a HUGE increase in cost as the foreign governments reach deep into your pockets.
I don't think they allow pizza parties to get special treatment either.
Touch down in Tokyo? Last I heard it was about $10,000 for the landing fee.
Yeah....flying international comes with a HUGE increase in cost as the foreign governments reach deep into your pockets.
I don't think they allow pizza parties to get special treatment either.
Again, Southwest is not talking about doing long haul flying, they do not have a long haul aircraft.
03-15-2013, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
Unless I'm more geographically challenged than I previously thought, you won't transit Russian or Norwegian airspace when heading to South America. And at the risk of going way out on a limb I will submit that if you touch down in Tokyo when you were aiming for Columbia, there are more serious problems that need to be addressed than landing fees.
Again, Southwest is not talking about doing long haul flying, they do not have a long haul aircraft.
Again, Southwest is not talking about doing long haul flying, they do not have a long haul aircraft.
(I thought that was obvious since I posted the chart in my response).
Try and keep up here skippy...
Flying down south will cost extra too....just not as much as some areas I mentioned.
03-15-2013, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey23
One thing I notice is that our transcons are almost always full. Plus speaking of no frills, Allegiant is having no trouble filling up their HI flights from what I hear....
The main advantage we have these days is a large domestic network to draw from to support some international flights.
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The main advantage we have these days is a large domestic network to draw from to support some international flights.
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I have no doubts that SWA can and will enter the long haul international market one day. I worry though, that in order to achieve this, the thing that made SWA what it is today will be lost along the way.
03-15-2013, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
The question is, how many of those domestic passengers are continuing on to an international destination and how many just want to go to Grandma's house, cheaply.
I have no doubts that SWA can and will enter the long haul international market one day. I worry though, that in order to achieve this, the thing that made SWA what it is today will be lost along the way.
I have no doubts that SWA can and will enter the long haul international market one day. I worry though, that in order to achieve this, the thing that made SWA what it is today will be lost along the way.
Again, my thoughts are Midway-Cancun, Islip-Dom Rep, maybe just seasonal service, to "get their feet wet" on international ops. There is no question you couldn't fill seats on those routes. Both origination cities offer huge potential pools of fliers and both destinations are hugely popular due to a mix of tourism (Chicago is cold in winter lets go to Cancun) and family/cultural ties (Dom Rep/NYC).
03-15-2013, 02:28 PM
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Ok ok ok .... I'm absolutely wrong about Southwest. We'll have to remember to come back in 10 years so you can have your "see I told you so" moment.
This industry is very cyclical with even the best being torn down. You're always one bad management decision away from disaster. And this industry still needs more consolidation.
This industry is very cyclical with even the best being torn down. You're always one bad management decision away from disaster. And this industry still needs more consolidation.
03-15-2013, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
The question is, how many of those domestic passengers are continuing on to an international destination and how many just want to go to Grandma's house, cheaply.
I have no doubts that SWA can and will enter the long haul international market one day. I worry though, that in order to achieve this, the thing that made SWA what it is today will be lost along the way.
I have no doubts that SWA can and will enter the long haul international market one day. I worry though, that in order to achieve this, the thing that made SWA what it is today will be lost along the way.
This is exactly what I've been saying. IMO, Southwest has already lost what made it famous.
03-15-2013, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by untied
I was responding to the chart posted in reference to CASM costs.
(I thought that was obvious since I posted the chart in my response).
Try and keep up here skippy...
Flying down south will cost extra too....just not as much as some areas I mentioned.
(I thought that was obvious since I posted the chart in my response).
Try and keep up here skippy...
Flying down south will cost extra too....just not as much as some areas I mentioned.
Once again I'll say it slowly. Southwest Is Not Talking About Doing Long Haul Flying To Europe Or Asia, they do not have an airplane type to accomplish that mission! The costs associated with S.A. are much lower and will still lead to lower CASM costs at SWA.
03-15-2013, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
I'm keeping up just fine. You quoted a poster which stated SWA has lower CASM. You stated that some of those higher costs were associated with transiting Russian and Norwegian airspace and landing fees in Tokyo. I then reiterated that SWA was not contemplating flights to Europe or Japan and therefore will not be experiemcing those costs associated with the markets you mentioned.
Once again I'll say it slowly. Southwest Is Not Talking About Doing Long Haul Flying To Europe Or Asia, they do not have an airplane type to accomplish that mission! The costs associated with S.A. are much lower and will still lead to lower CASM costs at SWA.
Once again I'll say it slowly. Southwest Is Not Talking About Doing Long Haul Flying To Europe Or Asia, they do not have an airplane type to accomplish that mission! The costs associated with S.A. are much lower and will still lead to lower CASM costs at SWA.
The poster was using some examples of fees associated with international flying.
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