ATL overstaffed SWA
05-13-2013, 04:59 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by 27 driver
Like that makes any difference at all.
05-13-2013, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
That is the problem, because you are an outsider that has no access to the the documents pertaining to the deal, you are forced to come to an internet web board and make assumptions based on the BS that is spewed here regularly. You can't make informed decisions without all the info. So forgive me if I disregard your opinion. I will happily listen when someone actually involved loves or hates the deal. The decisions that were made actually effect them and they have access to the information that allows them to make truly informed assessments, the rest is just internet noise.
05-13-2013, 06:03 PM
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There's a bigger Golden Rule in the world of negotiations--don't overplay your hand--ask the Frontier guys how that worked out. But seriously--we're just beating dead horses into dust talking about the SLI. It was spelled out in black and white in SL-10 that SWA would dictate who went to training based on the "needs of the company". If you're ****ed off about how the transition is going why weren't you screaming for a do-over on the Transition Bid when it was announced the 717's were going away? That was a total game-changer that no one on either side saw coming.
05-13-2013, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkdrv
Of which how many had active apps at SW? 
Besides, it's completely irrelevant to the partial staple job.
05-14-2013, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by blakman7
2) All of what you said might be true to some degree, maybe not but the fact still remains that SWA brought in their own people to run things in ATL while they could've transitioned some of the AirTran ATL people. So yes, some of the AirTran folks are being pushed out.....not the SWA employees.
Originally Posted by blakman7
I actually had and still have access to the documents pertaining to the deal. So therefore, I can and still will have opinions when I see foul play. That's how and why I have made comments that you might not particularly agree with.....especially when you are part of the group that screwed 1,700 pilots. Sorry if its too much for you to handle Shoelu. Just saying........
05-14-2013, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Complete and utter bu77schit. To answer your question, not as many as you'd like to think. I should know. I fly with them. Not to burst your bubble, but I hear "Never had any interest in working there" more than people having an app in.
Besides, it's completely irrelevant to the partial staple job.
05-14-2013, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkdrv
Well the vast majority of FO's were willing to staple themselves at year one pay and probation for a year. That's my point.
Just because you say it over and over doesn't make it true. There is no way to substantiate you statement. No telling how many would have gone and how many just had apps in everywhere. I know I had apps in all over the place when I was furloughed.
05-14-2013, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey23
Since the acquisition was announced, I have no doubt that all of the sudden there are no ATN pilots who will admit to having an app in a SWA. Just like when a turd of a TA or Side Letter gets voted in by pilots, a year or so later there magically doesn't seem to be anyone still around who voted yes.
Except MatthewAMEL, he was proud of his yes vote.
05-14-2013, 06:24 PM
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Here's a few facts that can be substantiated. Max pay rates at AT before being purchased by SWA--$152/hr Capt -- $79/hr FO --about what a maxed out FO and 2nd year FO were making at SWA. Number of former AT pilots at SWA--90ish. Number of former SWA pilots at AT--zero. I'm sure there were a group of senior guys at AT who had found their niche and were content to drive to work in ATL or MCO to fly teal jets. But claiming that pre-SWA AirTran was a land of milk and honey for junior guys and not a stepping stone for bigger and better things is madness.
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