SL 10 Grievance
11-03-2014, 03:22 AM
#121
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We had a bunch of voters for on the SWA side that also felt threaten if they voted no on SL10 arbitration was around the corner.
Nobody likes arbitration, ask any ex-Continental pilot with their recent arbitration with United. Nobody wins.
And nobody really is winning here with the SWA acquisition except management.
Except for the few AirTran pilots that will be sitting at home for several months in 2015 getting paid since the transition will not be complete at the end of this year.
Nobody likes arbitration, ask any ex-Continental pilot with their recent arbitration with United. Nobody wins.
And nobody really is winning here with the SWA acquisition except management.
Except for the few AirTran pilots that will be sitting at home for several months in 2015 getting paid since the transition will not be complete at the end of this year.
11-03-2014, 03:48 AM
#122
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Originally Posted by OrionTanker
We had a bunch of voters for on the SWA side that also felt threaten if they voted no on SL10 arbitration was around the corner.
Nobody likes arbitration, ask any ex-Continental pilot with their recent arbitration with United. Nobody wins.
And nobody really is winning here with the SWA acquisition except management.
Except for the few AirTran pilots that will be sitting at home for several months in 2015 getting paid since the transition will not be complete at the end of this year.
Nobody likes arbitration, ask any ex-Continental pilot with their recent arbitration with United. Nobody wins.
And nobody really is winning here with the SWA acquisition except management.
Except for the few AirTran pilots that will be sitting at home for several months in 2015 getting paid since the transition will not be complete at the end of this year.
SWAPA pilots "captured" practically all of our Cptn seats while we lost practically all of them and yet "nobody wins"? Your post shows the extent of your pilot group's delusion.
As for your side being afraid of arbitration why don't you just tell us the reason for that? Maybe because the arbitrator would have handed down a decision that didn't rape us of our seniority and seats?!
Surely if it went to arbitration the company and SWAPA wouldn't have been able to enact the threats and intimidation campaign to scare the AT pilots into voting yes.
Let's keep the record straight here for crying out loud. "Nobody wins", what a bunch of bull____!
11-03-2014, 05:53 AM
#124
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FrankRizzo
You made a couple of false statements.
The first is that there are no commutable trips. That is false, in fact I'm on a commutable trip now. I don't live in domicle and I don't have to spend a night in a hotel on either end.
The second is that medical insurance is expensive. The premiums for my SWA medical insurance is zero $ per month with a max yearly out of pocket is $2500. That policy covers myself, my wife, and daughter. What is so expensive about that?
You made a couple of false statements.
The first is that there are no commutable trips. That is false, in fact I'm on a commutable trip now. I don't live in domicle and I don't have to spend a night in a hotel on either end.
The second is that medical insurance is expensive. The premiums for my SWA medical insurance is zero $ per month with a max yearly out of pocket is $2500. That policy covers myself, my wife, and daughter. What is so expensive about that?
11-03-2014, 05:55 AM
#125
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Originally Posted by OrionTanker
We had a bunch of voters for on the SWA side that also felt threaten if they voted no on SL10 arbitration was around the corner.
Does everybody now see what went on here?
The original SW pilots felt "threatened" that if they voted no, management would do the fair thing and let a neutral, third party, who doesn't have any skin in the game, determine what is truly "fair and equitable".
I can all but guarantee that would have not included the massive seniority and captain seat loss.
Nobody likes arbitration, ask any ex-Continental pilot with their recent arbitration with United.
And nobody really is winning here with the SWA acquisition except management.
11-03-2014, 06:16 AM
#126
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Originally Posted by tanker
FrankRizzo
You made a couple of false statements.
The first is that there are no commutable trips. That is false, in fact I'm on a commutable trip now. I don't live in domicle and I don't have to spend a night in a hotel on either end.
You made a couple of false statements.
The first is that there are no commutable trips. That is false, in fact I'm on a commutable trip now. I don't live in domicle and I don't have to spend a night in a hotel on either end.
The second is that medical insurance is expensive. The premiums for my SWA medical insurance is zero $ per month with a max yearly out of pocket is $2500. That policy covers myself, my wife, and daughter. What is so expensive about that?
The "regular plan" sounds great until you go for a check up. How much out of pocket does preventative care cost you? Things like physicals, routine blood tests, mammograms, cancer screenings, pap smears, colonoscopy...all not covered. That $2500 out of pocket DOES NOT include any of the above expenses. That can get very expensive very quickly.
11-03-2014, 10:31 AM
#128
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Whack and Rizzo - I can only take so much of you two.
I am sorry that SWA screwed you guys so badly, really. It has affected all of us in some degree or fashion. Obviously, it affected you two the most.
All I can say is come on over if you are not over, and do something about it. Get involved with the union, whatever. Use your anger for something positive....
If that does not work, bye-bye. Go find yourself another job. Not worth the induced stress on yourselves.
I am sorry that SWA screwed you guys so badly, really. It has affected all of us in some degree or fashion. Obviously, it affected you two the most.
All I can say is come on over if you are not over, and do something about it. Get involved with the union, whatever. Use your anger for something positive....
If that does not work, bye-bye. Go find yourself another job. Not worth the induced stress on yourselves.
11-03-2014, 11:03 AM
#129
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Things like physicals, routine blood tests, mammograms, cancer screenings, pap smears, colonoscopy...all not covered.
11-03-2014, 12:22 PM
#130
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Originally Posted by tanker
In the last 12 years I've had 5 colonoscopies, and my wife has had 3, all covered and paid for under the Regular Plan. For routine physicals, routine blood test, and mammograms I pay about $500 per year for myself, wife, and daughter. So including the out of pocket I pay about $3000 per year.
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