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Old 08-29-2016 | 07:36 PM
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Don't get me wrong, and I will wait to see it. But from 50tfp to 80tfp is a huge increase. Time will tell.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Call your reps. The $80 first year pay is in there, just wasn't in the bullet points they put out. It will be in the expanded summary that comes out tomorrow or the next day.
Applicable to newhires moving forward or anyone currently on 1st year pay?
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Old 08-29-2016 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Applicable to newhires moving forward or anyone currently on 1st year pay?
It would have to be applicable to everyone on first year pay. Absolutley.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 11:09 PM
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The details aren't out yet, so I will reserve my enthusiasm. I will say, however, that based on the B fund plus the removal of company imposed caps on retirement alone, this is huge for anyone with 20+ years left here like me.
I am also glad they are doing international subset by base, although I am curious to see what this means for switching back and forth between bases.
I know I am not going to be 100 percent happy with everything and that is ok. What I don't want to see are gaping holes in section 1 that is either going to stagnate growth or see Skywest RJs with SWA paint on them. If those holes exist, I am a no.
Otherwise, based on the info at hand, this will pass handily.

Concerning first year pay - amen. It needs a huge boost. I am not holding my breath for retro on that one though. I would expect that I'll get retro (ratification bonus) as described in the brief, 3/4/4 and not for a $30/TFP increase. That alone would be around $35k for my first year here and I just don't see that happening. So, I guess it really isn't retro in that regard.
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Old 08-30-2016 | 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020
15% B fund and the first year pay is a game changer for me as a mil lurker on the outside. Puts SW back on the list of big boy table employers for me. Just some data fodder for the market survey people. Now back to watching the show. Good luck to y'all.
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Old 08-30-2016 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sr. Barco
Final rate $280/HR
15% B fund
I meant the rate on 1 Jan 16 for a direct comparison to the 261.50 table rate at Delta. Sorry for not being clear. I hope we will actually achieve several percent above the companies current 261 offer.
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Old 08-30-2016 | 08:28 AM
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We don't have a TA, we have a AIP
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Old 08-30-2016 | 08:42 AM
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I'm a few months from completing my first year. While a retro deal for us would be nice, the second year pay rate of $97ish is a game changer in itself as it exceeds current third-year pay. The reserve per day is a good change as well.

What are the opinions on the International subsets by base? Would that cause a shuffle in domiciles?
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Old 08-30-2016 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by at6d
What are the opinions on the International subsets by base? Would that cause a shuffle in domiciles?
I'm a little confused by just what the hell they mean by this as well.
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Old 08-30-2016 | 11:21 AM
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Can someone explain if the removal below means more codeshare/interline/etc. or not? Dallas news says more with enforceable restrictions. Good luck, don't let them insert loopholes into the actual TA.

"Tightened Section 1 language and metrics
Removal of Reciprocal Trans Border Interline and Route Authority/Slot Restricted Airports
Strengthened Reopener, Distribution, Furlough Protection Language (Sect 1). Any furloughs will trigger a wind down of all partnerships and none will then be allowed until all furloughed Pilots are recalled"

Sideletter 2015?:
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/ne...-contract.html
"For Southwest Airlines, the potential new contract will allow the company to build limited partnerships with other airlines for near-international interline agreements and far-international codeshare, with enforceable restrictions."

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