2017 Hiring Numbers?
10-31-2016 | 09:24 AM
#81
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"We don't do redeyes. We have redeye language in the new TA but I don't see many being built simply because of the rest requirements afterward....they're inefficient and unproductive"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...airlines-uh-oh
"Red-eye flights. Southwest negotiated red-eye flying with its pilots in June 2012 but hasn’t been able to take advantage of these overnight flights to the East Coast and Midwest. Technology has been the chief culprit, Southwest’s managing director of business development, Dave Harvey, said in a recent interview. Dallas-based Southwest has large operations in Baltimore, Chicago, and Atlanta, which are likely to see new red-eye service from the West Coast."
Some in management appear to disagree, flyguy. Doesn't Amadeus reservation system come on line next month?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...airlines-uh-oh
"Red-eye flights. Southwest negotiated red-eye flying with its pilots in June 2012 but hasn’t been able to take advantage of these overnight flights to the East Coast and Midwest. Technology has been the chief culprit, Southwest’s managing director of business development, Dave Harvey, said in a recent interview. Dallas-based Southwest has large operations in Baltimore, Chicago, and Atlanta, which are likely to see new red-eye service from the West Coast."
Some in management appear to disagree, flyguy. Doesn't Amadeus reservation system come on line next month?
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10-31-2016 | 10:25 AM
#82
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"We don't do redeyes. We have redeye language in the new TA but I don't see many being built simply because of the rest requirements afterward....they're inefficient and unproductive"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...airlines-uh-oh
"Red-eye flights. Southwest negotiated red-eye flying with its pilots in June 2012 but hasn’t been able to take advantage of these overnight flights to the East Coast and Midwest. Technology has been the chief culprit, Southwest’s managing director of business development, Dave Harvey, said in a recent interview. Dallas-based Southwest has large operations in Baltimore, Chicago, and Atlanta, which are likely to see new red-eye service from the West Coast."
Some in management appear to disagree, flyguy. Doesn't Amadeus reservation system come on line next month?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...airlines-uh-oh
"Red-eye flights. Southwest negotiated red-eye flying with its pilots in June 2012 but hasn’t been able to take advantage of these overnight flights to the East Coast and Midwest. Technology has been the chief culprit, Southwest’s managing director of business development, Dave Harvey, said in a recent interview. Dallas-based Southwest has large operations in Baltimore, Chicago, and Atlanta, which are likely to see new red-eye service from the West Coast."
Some in management appear to disagree, flyguy. Doesn't Amadeus reservation system come on line next month?
10-31-2016 | 10:44 AM
#83
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"We don't do redeyes. We have redeye language in the new TA but I don't see many being built simply because of the rest requirements afterward....they're inefficient and unproductive"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...airlines-uh-oh
"Red-eye flights. Southwest negotiated red-eye flying with its pilots in June 2012 but hasn’t been able to take advantage of these overnight flights to the East Coast and Midwest. Technology has been the chief culprit, Southwest’s managing director of business development, Dave Harvey, said in a recent interview. Dallas-based Southwest has large operations in Baltimore, Chicago, and Atlanta, which are likely to see new red-eye service from the West Coast."
Some in management appear to disagree, flyguy. Doesn't Amadeus reservation system come on line next month?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...airlines-uh-oh
"Red-eye flights. Southwest negotiated red-eye flying with its pilots in June 2012 but hasn’t been able to take advantage of these overnight flights to the East Coast and Midwest. Technology has been the chief culprit, Southwest’s managing director of business development, Dave Harvey, said in a recent interview. Dallas-based Southwest has large operations in Baltimore, Chicago, and Atlanta, which are likely to see new red-eye service from the West Coast."
Some in management appear to disagree, flyguy. Doesn't Amadeus reservation system come on line next month?
Schedules are built thru May or so of next year. The new Res system will be a gradual thing I'd imagine....they won't suddenly add red-eye flights....with the implementation schedule of the TA if it passes I don't see us doing any kind of true red-eye until next year at the earliest and not to the frequency of Spirit, F9, UAL, DL, AA, etc.
10-31-2016 | 02:49 PM
#84
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The best airline is the one that hires you, unless you have multiple airlines to choose from..
As a guy on the outside looking in (and trying not to lick the window) I don't really see any of the "Majors" (Which to me includes, UPS, FedEx, SWA plus the legacies) as being a bad place. Other than HAL, first year pay is liveable at all of them, and you can at least hold reserve somewhere not across the country within a year or two at most.
Of course, as I'm currently living in a room the size of a prison cell that I share with three other dudes in Afghanistan, even bad hotels are an improvement.
I'd have come to SWA if they gave me a job offer after my interview. And in all likelyhood, as I got hit with an involuntary mobilization that would have started about four months in, for 16 months, odds of me ever jumping ship would have been low.
As a guy on the outside looking in (and trying not to lick the window) I don't really see any of the "Majors" (Which to me includes, UPS, FedEx, SWA plus the legacies) as being a bad place. Other than HAL, first year pay is liveable at all of them, and you can at least hold reserve somewhere not across the country within a year or two at most.
Of course, as I'm currently living in a room the size of a prison cell that I share with three other dudes in Afghanistan, even bad hotels are an improvement.
I'd have come to SWA if they gave me a job offer after my interview. And in all likelyhood, as I got hit with an involuntary mobilization that would have started about four months in, for 16 months, odds of me ever jumping ship would have been low.
10-31-2016 | 05:43 PM
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10-31-2016 | 06:04 PM
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10-31-2016 | 06:21 PM
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I'd imagine you could ELITT a red-eye to a regular pairing as long as it wasn't ETOPS.
10-31-2016 | 06:28 PM
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This is the only thing I saw about red-eye and ELITT: "A pilot with an ETOPS pairing that includes Red Eye flying may only trade for a respective ETOPS pairing that includes Red Eye flying."
I'd imagine you could ELITT a red-eye to a regular pairing as long as it wasn't ETOPS.
I'd imagine you could ELITT a red-eye to a regular pairing as long as it wasn't ETOPS.
Ahh. Thanks for that.
10-31-2016 | 06:48 PM
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I don't disagree per se with his opinion, I just think he presents a factually incorrect assessment that is highly biased that does not represent ground truth. Folks read this forum, and it should be pointed out when opinion is just that, someone's opinion.
To quote from TD:
"Southwest was once among my top choices. Recent changes have pushed them down below my top five list and I am willing to wait at my current airline until my phone rings for one of those top five."
And if you agree with TD, then why don't you seek employment elsewhere? No shop is perfect. Just read some of the other major airline forums on here. But at least the info presented on those forums is from actual employees.
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