How much TT to get call?
04-10-2017, 08:08 AM
#161
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Back to the original discussion -
Average TT? Still around 3-4K military and 9-12k regional I am guessing?
Still have that pesky 1000 PIC requirement but it is maybe decreasing soon?
I was in training and heard 780 new hires from multiple sources and up to 1,000 next year. That's insane.
Average TT? Still around 3-4K military and 9-12k regional I am guessing?
Still have that pesky 1000 PIC requirement but it is maybe decreasing soon?
I was in training and heard 780 new hires from multiple sources and up to 1,000 next year. That's insane.
(Also makes me wonder how on earth they actually deemed to hire my dumb, inexperienced, civilian, non-LCA arse 19 years ago...when there supposedly wasn't an epic "pilot shortage" going on!
)Best of luck to those still waiting for the call. It's got to start changing for the better here pretty soon!
04-15-2017, 11:47 AM
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Southwest has got to have at least 10k "qualified" apps on file with a turbine pic requirement still in place. Why would they ever consider abinitio? There are something like 18-19k regional pilots out there and almost 1k mil pilots separate every year. I don't see SW/Dal/AA or United ever having trouble hiring. Spirit, Frontier, and Atlas may start to have trouble in the next few years.
04-15-2017, 12:14 PM
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I think you are overestimating the number of qualified apps are out there. Especially when you consider those same people are also applying at every one of 4 majors, 2 freighters, Alaska, Hawaiian, JetBlue, and maybe Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant. Divide up all of the qualified applicants and there aren't enough to go around.
The ones that are left are either unhirable, have a blemish on their record, or are the type of guys who screw around on guard.
Bottom line, they're looking ahead. I don't love the idea of abinitio. But I'd rather that than the airlines growth stagnant due to insufficient pilots.
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The ones that are left are either unhirable, have a blemish on their record, or are the type of guys who screw around on guard.
Bottom line, they're looking ahead. I don't love the idea of abinitio. But I'd rather that than the airlines growth stagnant due to insufficient pilots.
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04-15-2017, 01:17 PM
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Just one week left until the window opens.
According to this site SWA window opens 4/22-4/24
Https://swa.pilotcredentials.com
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According to this site SWA window opens 4/22-4/24
Https://swa.pilotcredentials.com
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04-15-2017, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I think you are overestimating the number of qualified apps are out there. Especially when you consider those same people are also applying at every one of 4 majors, 2 freighters, Alaska, Hawaiian, JetBlue, and maybe Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant. Divide up all of the qualified applicants and there aren't enough to go around.
The ones that are left are either unhirable, have a blemish on their record, or are the type of guys who screw around on guard.
Bottom line, they're looking ahead. I don't love the idea of abinitio. But I'd rather that than the airlines growth stagnant due to insufficient pilots.
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The ones that are left are either unhirable, have a blemish on their record, or are the type of guys who screw around on guard.
Bottom line, they're looking ahead. I don't love the idea of abinitio. But I'd rather that than the airlines growth stagnant due to insufficient pilots.
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How many not-at-SWA and not-already-at-a-major 737 type holders are out there? Can't be that many
Me:
- 4 year degree
- Partial MBA but ran out of money. GPA for completed MBA work = 3.8
- ATP/MEI, 5000 TT, 1700 Turbine PIC, Part 91 ops. Part 135 cancelled checks 20 years ago in a Navajo
- Check Airman
- "Staff jobs" / management-leadership roles in my aviation department. Not a "line pilot" who flies everyday. Involved in safety, SMS, etc.
- No 121 time
- No 737 type
- Will be age 50 when/if hired
- Live in Dallas, TX.
- Considering "waiting at Envoy" and earning AA flow-thru-time and 121 time while my app sits in stack at SWA. Current $125K Part 91 corporate job w weekends off kinda is hard to walk away from tho.
Also Considering applying for SWA non-flying job in safety section, FOQA Analyst, business side/marketing (college background...) to become an "internal hire"
Recommendations ? Get the type to "get noticed" ? Join a regional to check the 121 box ?
Thanks
Last edited by BarrySeal; 04-15-2017 at 01:56 PM.
04-15-2017, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BarrySeal
Zap, I agree with your comments. Question, is Higher Power still the preferred 737 type provider due to purported "in bed with SWA" or where would you get a type ?
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04-15-2017, 01:44 PM
#168
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Originally Posted by BarrySeal
Zap, I agree with your comments. Question, is Higher Power still the preferred 737 type provider due to purported "in bed with SWA" or where would you get a type ?
How many not-at-SWA and not-already-at-a-major 737 type holders are out there? Can't be that many
How many not-at-SWA and not-already-at-a-major 737 type holders are out there? Can't be that many
The 737 type is no longer required.
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04-15-2017, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BarrySeal
Zap, I agree with your comments. Question, is Higher Power still the preferred 737 type provider due to purported "in bed with SWA" or where would you get a type ?
How many not-at-SWA and not-already-at-a-major 737 type holders are out there? Can't be that many
Me:
Also Considering applying for SWA non-flying job in safety section, FOQA Analyst, business side/marketing (college background...) to become an "internal hire"
Recommendations ? Get the type to "get noticed" ? Join a regional to check the 121 box ?
Thanks
How many not-at-SWA and not-already-at-a-major 737 type holders are out there? Can't be that many
Me:
- 4 year degree
- Partial MBA but ran out of money. GPA for completed MBA work = 3.8
- ATP/MEI, 5000 TT, 1700 Turbine PIC, Part 91 ops. Part 135 cancelled checks 20 years ago in a Navajo
- Check Airman
- "Staff jobs" / management-leadership roles in my aviation department. Not a "line pilot" who flies everyday. Involved in safety, SMS, etc.
- No 121 time
- No 737 type
- Will be age 50 when/if hired
- Live in Dallas, TX.
- Considering "waiting at Envoy" and earning AA flow-thru-time and 121 time while my app sits in stack at SWA. Current $125K Part 91 corporate job w weekends off kinda is hard to walk away from tho.
Also Considering applying for SWA non-flying job in safety section, FOQA Analyst, business side/marketing (college background...) to become an "internal hire"
Recommendations ? Get the type to "get noticed" ? Join a regional to check the 121 box ?
Thanks
04-15-2017, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ohlsan
I plan on asking the 737 type question at the job fair this week, I know it's not required but I want to know how much it will help.
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