Originally Posted by beverage

I'm not sure public outcry would result from a billboard or two. Most travelers see all air transport as equal from a safety standpoint, which is a credit to our industry.

Public shaming of standing available chokers is not appropriate either, as annoying and counterproductive as they might be. They and we know who they are.

I think the disconnect in compensation knowledge among many of our ranks from whats our peers are making is a huge problem. I've a had a few conversations with jumpseaters etc that were quite eye-opening as far as this goes.

Maybe some comparative education is in order. This is not all on the union, they can provide information (which may or may not be currently adequate) but its up to us, as line pilots to discuss, resolve and move forward with a unified agenda as much as is possible- there are always going to be disagreements.

Complacency leads to a generally slippery slope, especially in this industry where things can change in an instant. Now is the time and until we can self police, don't go looking to the NMB for a savior.

Originally Posted by ropestart

The latest Email(today) sounds as though the NC is done screwing around!

Originally Posted by Timeismoney

1. Yes, the public does care about the plane they fly on and how it's maintained regardless of price. The company needs to be held accountable to the public on they business practices and the public and BOD are the only ones that matter to them. Not us. CALL THEM OUT!!!

2. The standing available list to me is no different the crossing the picket line. The guys doing it are prolonging the income that we deserve and directly effects the ability to take care of my family. CALL THEM OUT!!! At least wear the green lanyard!! Geez...

3. Education on pay rates?! What!? The guys that don't know what's going on must live under a rock and truly are low tier!! I would say the are in the minority.

4. Complacency? Yep, that's what your promoting if you are not emailing your reps, not getting fired up and realizing that the company will not give us a fair contract until their arms are twisted. Progress sometimes is painful!!!

Originally Posted by DickBurns

Be careful with point number 2. There is only 1 mortal sin in this business. Don't forget that! Some things may be frowned upon, like picking up while guys are on furlough, but you CANNOT compare crossing the line to obeying the contract!

Originally Posted by Timeismoney

Ok. How about this, Unity should not be a gray area. It is black or white. Either your in or your out. Either your in it for yourself or the group. Will I publicly publish a standing available list for all to shame? No.. but I will offer a up the question, why are you not wearing the green lanyard?? I will also to note of guys I see on the line that are on the list. Will I be happy to hang out with them?? Hell no. I don't want to hear all about the deals they are getting while I fly my line and put pressure on the company so they can get the same contract I get.

Originally Posted by DickBurns

Be careful with point number 2. There is only 1 mortal sin in this business. Don't forget that! Some things may be frowned upon, like picking up while guys are on furlough, but you CANNOT compare crossing the line to obeying the contract!

Originally Posted by Poppachubby

...Seriously, if anyone can indicate what I'm doing wrong here, I'm all ears. On par with a "scab".......give me a break!

Originally Posted by Poppachubby

Exactly! I've chimed in on this topic before and I will again. I rarely say much on this board yet it bothers me how some will associate people on the standing available list as all "chokers". It is not always the case. I strive as much as possible to at least maintain line value while working as little as possible (major quality of lifer). I typically drop all undesirable flying during IOT (while its green) and re-fortify later if possible. Yet the trips left in open usually suck, so many times I never end up picking things up and end up with a 50-60 hour month. Meanwhile there are many times a last minute trip will pop into open that maybe super "juicy" (DH's maybe...lot of soft time) that I wont have access to unless on the SA list. Yes......not all trips are "juicy" so I refuse 95% of them (making scheduling work harder).

Seriously, if anyone can indicate what I'm doing wrong here, I'm all ears. On par with a "scab".......give me a break!