You are clueless, plain and simple....you reference United pay and then you say you want industry standard in the next sentence. They are different.

Industry standard for our peer group, for the entire pay package, will be different/lower/higher in some sections versus others within our peer group. You can not cherry pick the top pay for each contract.

Perhaps you haven't listened to any of the NC calls or attended any of the recent PUB events/ LEC meetings? We are asking for industry standard. Those numbers leave little to no room for negotiating. They are the standard and it's fact...not up for debate.

If we, instead, were looking for industry leading there would be room for negotiations. But that is not what we're doing.

There is no reason why we shouldn't be paid standard rates...none. So this leaves the company little room to suggest otherwise. The NC is doing a fine job and they're positioning themselves appropriately.

I've listened to all the NC calls and your tone is unwarranted. Are you suggesting the NC will refuse any counter? That's not the impression I got.

I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. There's a reason it called the Negotiating Committee.

Why do you come out so hard? You strike me as a very insecure in your position when you come out like that.

The 5 year United captain pay is hardly cherry picked.

It will be next to impossible to get industry standard when your starting negotiation position is industry standard. Plain and simple.

Oh yeah, tone unwarranted? Noted, thanks.

The NC has clearly stated they are asking for standard rates and there is little room for negotiating from them. Does that mean there will be no negotiation? No, of course not. However our resident dimwit suggests we should be asking for above industry leading in order to have negotiating room. That's not the strategy the NC is taking. They've presented reasonable numbers and have facts to back them up. There is no valid argument the company can make to counter these.


Nah, I'm confident I won't be disappointed. Thanks anyway.

I am proud to see not one pilot on the standing available list in ord for march and April. Let's keep it that way please!

Fixed it for you...

Impressed to see the CA side empty for volunteers...

FLL is just a joke...CA side and FO side. The month has not even started yet and FLL CAs are already lining up for that sweet MUP to pay for that boat

Don't worry. The Vegas standing available CA champions have all the bases covered.

The FOs on the ord list that aren't on first year pay are regulars.