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03-26-2017, 04:13 PM
#561
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Originally Posted by Macjet
On this he is right. Our negotiators set our ask at what should be our strike point. They should have bumped 3-5% and that would have stayed within the zone of reasonableness. The negotiated rate will unfortunately be well below this. The question is, will we vote it down or in?
03-26-2017, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
On this he is right. Our negotiators set our ask at what should be our strike point. They should have bumped 3-5% and that would have stayed within the zone of reasonableness. The negotiated rate will unfortunately be well below this. The question is, will we vote it down or in?
03-26-2017, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
On this he is right. Our negotiators set our ask at what should be our strike point. They should have bumped 3-5% and that would have stayed within the zone of reasonableness. The negotiated rate will unfortunately be well below this. The question is, will we vote it down or in?
I am thinking their strategy revolves more around presenting a case to the mediator of reasonableness to move things along that process quicker.
I wonder what coming in north of UAL et al would look like in the eyes of the mediator vs calculating average and asking for that
03-26-2017, 06:59 PM
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Another question I have, and should be directed to the NC, now that most majors' new contracts have been inked (and most have 3-ish% raises annually), are we upping our ask accordingly with each annual raise??
03-26-2017, 07:24 PM
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I hope you're all right and I'm wrong. But after years of experience in everything from real estate deals to literal horse trades there is almost always a meeting in the middle. That idea is even further reinforced after personally going through a mediated settlement in the last year. We're going to argue DAL/AA/UAL/WN as peers and the company is going to point at F9/Sun County/Allegiant. Unfortunately, I think it'll be something less than our ask. We'll find out April 10th or so I guess.
03-26-2017, 11:40 PM
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The pay and benefits asked are within "the zone of reasonableness".
I find both arguments below having validity:
Asking for more to meet in the middle, or asking for the actual industry standard.
Our ask is a ceiling, will we accept lower?
What are industry standard work rules?
That will be an interesting discussion.
Surprised that Long call reserve and Limits on relief lines, were omitted.
While at first glance I would not say no to 150% for OT,
it is totaly company controlled and would not consider it a priority, nor spend any negotiating capital on it.
We used to have that 150%.
Scope and Retro !!!
I find both arguments below having validity:
Asking for more to meet in the middle, or asking for the actual industry standard.
Our ask is a ceiling, will we accept lower?
What are industry standard work rules?
That will be an interesting discussion.
Surprised that Long call reserve and Limits on relief lines, were omitted.
While at first glance I would not say no to 150% for OT,
it is totaly company controlled and would not consider it a priority, nor spend any negotiating capital on it.
We used to have that 150%.
Scope and Retro !!!
03-27-2017, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OneEyedMonster
Nah, you are a moron. Plain and simple.
Many have tried to fix "stupid" as it pertains to you, it doesn't work. You know it all, from illegal work actions to flawed negotiation strategy.
Later "my friend".
Many have tried to fix "stupid" as it pertains to you, it doesn't work. You know it all, from illegal work actions to flawed negotiation strategy.
Later "my friend".
Anyway, like I said earlier they've submitted the ask so it's too late now. All we can do is hold the line and not agree to the 5%-25% discount the company is going to come back with.
Hopefully OneEye will open both of them and not let his RJ discount mentality put us at the bottom of the pack again.
03-27-2017, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
You sound like my sons when one gets the better of the other. Too funny.
Anyway, like I said earlier they've submitted the ask so it's too late now. All we can do is hold the line and not agree to the 5%-25% discount the company is going to come back with.
Hopefully OneEye will open both of them and not let his RJ discount mentality put us at the bottom of the pack again.
Anyway, like I said earlier they've submitted the ask so it's too late now. All we can do is hold the line and not agree to the 5%-25% discount the company is going to come back with.
Hopefully OneEye will open both of them and not let his RJ discount mentality put us at the bottom of the pack again.
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