What?? No NB the famous note leaving, job fair volunteer and WIA pilot of the year??? That's great to hear!

 

Everyone should get on the standing available list. You're looking at this all wrong. Make the machine work.. I'm not saying go out and fly. Make them call everyone twice.

 

They don't though. They let it sit in open time until 3 hrs prior and then call whoever they want so they don't have to use the list.

 

I'm clearly mistaken. I take the call and have a nice conversation, ask for move up on all my trips for the rest of the month plus released from all work. That always goes over like a fart in church.

 

Whether you agree with the NC's strategy or not, it's hard to argue with this statement.

 

Using this logic it would be best to ask for $100 over Delta, in order to settle at Delta. Do you think this is the best practice? If so, management would start at regional rates, only to meet in the middle at current Spirit rates.

Better to have an "ask" based on facts and logic vs "car lot logic" one would use wen buying a used Mazda.

Smoke and mirrors of the negotiating game aside, I would much rather have my NC come in with a realistic number, based on fact, and stick to that, for no other reason that that is the rate of pilots today.

It doesn't matter anyways. The morons who think we should be shooting for X Y and Z are so in the minority, they are simply, the minority and have no affect on whatever vote we have. There are some clear facts that pilots of this group need to accept that WILL happen in this next contract, accept it or move on to another airline. Change is coming, like it or not....and if you think 29/7 will be here in the next contract, you're delusional.

 

One way or another our ask offers no wiggle room. As the southwest pilots said "platform plus!"

 

Fear and ignorance in full display in this post my friend.

You have to add $100 to the Delta rates to make a dramatic point.

I suggested this current ask should have been 3-5% higher than they did. Not because its a car lot, but because it's a negotiation.

And in my opinion the current ask is the bare minimum that should be entertained. And it's a good bet the NC will come off of this bare minimum ask
And we will see not just the current 5% below united asking now but another 5% below.

Oh and in case you haven't considered it United and Delta 320 drivers move on to 757 and 777's 10 years down the road continue to enjoy pay raises. We don't have that option. So we better make sure we don't have a bottom of the pack contract again.

 

Nah, you are a moron. Plain and simple.

Many have tried to fix "stupid" as it pertains to you, it doesn't work. You know it all, from illegal work actions to flawed negotiation strategy.

Later "my friend".

 

On this he is right. Our negotiators set our ask at what should be our strike point. They should have bumped 3-5% and that would have stayed within the zone of reasonableness. The negotiated rate will unfortunately be well below this. The question is, will we vote it down or in?