Contract Negotiations room
04-24-2017, 07:50 PM
#881
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: CA
Posts: 69
Originally Posted by VladimirPutin
Gentlemen please take a deep breath and keep our aim where it belongs. You can make change in a positive way or a negative way. You're choice.
Man when this place DOES come unravelled and even if we didn't do a thing wrong all the company will have to do is come on here for evidence. Yikes.
How about unity towards the same end and stop writing things like this on public message boards.
Man when this place DOES come unravelled and even if we didn't do a thing wrong all the company will have to do is come on here for evidence. Yikes.
How about unity towards the same end and stop writing things like this on public message boards.
...towards the objective we say we all desire, you are right... there are many tactics, approaches, strategies, avenues, mechanisms, lanes we can navigate to achieve what we all say we deserve.
Someone here used social pressure to enhance/increase adherence of our membership's behavior towards our stated objective. Yes there are other methods.
Just as safety is an objective in our flights, we could use material from our own operations to try to steer the deviant activities back towards our objective
Assertiveness is ensuring your input is heard and understood rather than hinting or silently watching as perceived mistakes are about to be made. The ve steps to an assertive statement are:
1. Opening statement - “Bob, John, Captain, etc.”
2. State your concern - Take ownership, “I’m uncomfortable with...“
3. State the problem - The problem as you see it.
4. Offer a suggestion - Suggested solution to the problem.
5. Reach agreement - Crew Members, reaching a mutually agreeable solution, may take more than one assertive statement from one or more of the crew.
The rest of us are uncomfortable with you not following in your fellow pilots' stated and published objective, to receive an industry standard contract WHATEVER IT TAKES.
The problem as we see it is that you are not following the collective course of ceasing to relieve the company of the consequences of their ineptitudes in staffing and scheduling, and you are pursing INDIVIDUAL gain over that of our collective.
A solution might be to stop doing that.
Or perhaps other sources...like ...Rockefellers, Carnegies, Gates, Steve Jobs...from his commencement address to Stanford graduate...
“Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.” It was their farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin anew, I wish that for you.
Or perhaps other sources...
This is not about feelings. This is not about etiquette. This is about winning....WHATEVER IT TAKES.
If I fly with you, I will say it to whomever personally. Until then, since P2P and Union messages don't seem to deter your off course actions, here is where it plays out.
04-25-2017, 04:42 AM
#882
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: CA
Posts: 299
Originally Posted by frotter
I acquiesce...
...towards the objective we say we all desire, you are right... there are many tactics, approaches, strategies, avenues, mechanisms, lanes we can navigate to achieve what we all say we deserve.
Someone here used social pressure to enhance/increase adherence of our membership's behavior towards our stated objective. Yes there are other methods.
Just as safety is an objective in our flights, we could use material from our own operations to try to steer the deviant activities back towards our objective
Assertiveness is ensuring your input is heard and understood rather than hinting or silently watching as perceived mistakes are about to be made. The ve steps to an assertive statement are:
1. Opening statement - “Bob, John, Captain, etc.”
2. State your concern - Take ownership, “I’m uncomfortable with...“
3. State the problem - The problem as you see it.
4. Offer a suggestion - Suggested solution to the problem.
5. Reach agreement - Crew Members, reaching a mutually agreeable solution, may take more than one assertive statement from one or more of the crew.
The rest of us are uncomfortable with you not following in your fellow pilots' stated and published objective, to receive an industry standard contract WHATEVER IT TAKES.
The problem as we see it is that you are not following the collective course of ceasing to relieve the company of the consequences of their ineptitudes in staffing and scheduling, and you are pursing INDIVIDUAL gain over that of our collective.
A solution might be to stop doing that.
Or perhaps other sources...like ...Rockefellers, Carnegies, Gates, Steve Jobs...from his commencement address to Stanford graduate...
“Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.” It was their farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin anew, I wish that for you.
Or perhaps other sources...
This is not about feelings. This is not about etiquette. This is about winning....WHATEVER IT TAKES.
If I fly with you, I will say it to whomever personally. Until then, since P2P and Union messages don't seem to deter your off course actions, here is where it plays out.
...towards the objective we say we all desire, you are right... there are many tactics, approaches, strategies, avenues, mechanisms, lanes we can navigate to achieve what we all say we deserve.
Someone here used social pressure to enhance/increase adherence of our membership's behavior towards our stated objective. Yes there are other methods.
Just as safety is an objective in our flights, we could use material from our own operations to try to steer the deviant activities back towards our objective
Assertiveness is ensuring your input is heard and understood rather than hinting or silently watching as perceived mistakes are about to be made. The ve steps to an assertive statement are:
1. Opening statement - “Bob, John, Captain, etc.”
2. State your concern - Take ownership, “I’m uncomfortable with...“
3. State the problem - The problem as you see it.
4. Offer a suggestion - Suggested solution to the problem.
5. Reach agreement - Crew Members, reaching a mutually agreeable solution, may take more than one assertive statement from one or more of the crew.
The rest of us are uncomfortable with you not following in your fellow pilots' stated and published objective, to receive an industry standard contract WHATEVER IT TAKES.
The problem as we see it is that you are not following the collective course of ceasing to relieve the company of the consequences of their ineptitudes in staffing and scheduling, and you are pursing INDIVIDUAL gain over that of our collective.
A solution might be to stop doing that.
Or perhaps other sources...like ...Rockefellers, Carnegies, Gates, Steve Jobs...from his commencement address to Stanford graduate...
“Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.” It was their farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin anew, I wish that for you.
Or perhaps other sources...
This is not about feelings. This is not about etiquette. This is about winning....WHATEVER IT TAKES.
If I fly with you, I will say it to whomever personally. Until then, since P2P and Union messages don't seem to deter your off course actions, here is where it plays out.
04-25-2017, 10:53 AM
#888
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 134
Originally Posted by CL604Driver
What a DB you are....
The guy made a joke, I laughed. Besides, it is true, more than a few people use Spanish as their default language on the aircraft in the FLL base...despite it being a violation of SOP. He didn't say Spanish-speaking people are bad or shouldn't work here, just made a joking reference to the widespread use of the language at work.
Maybe the crew rooms should have safe spaces with coloring books, video games, and a direct hotline to HR. English and Spanish, of course.
It's hilarious to watch you crybabies get triggered. Thanks for the laugh.
04-25-2017, 11:10 AM
#889
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 163
Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear
Make sure you translate it in spanish for the FLL crew room.
I'm FLL based and I took it as a joke. For those who didn't, "Lighten up Francis"
These are stressful times and we should all try to relax a bit. We are not each other's enemy.
04-25-2017, 02:50 PM
#890
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 479
Originally Posted by Jett i son
Embarrassing...
Thank you, for letting us know who you really are
Thank you, for letting us know who you really are
LOL, Im still the same ole G. If you know me, then you shouldn't get butt hurt. Just trying to get everyone on the same page here son.
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