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Old 08-17-2021 | 12:15 PM
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Hey don’t we need Spirit to be profitable first before we think about contract negotiations? Unless we are negotiating a pay cut??
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Old 08-17-2021 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
Hey don’t we need Spirit to be profitable first before we think about contract negotiations? Unless we are negotiating a pay cut??
Contract talks don't open for another year, plenty of time to become profitable in the interim. That is, unless the COVID Mu or Omega variant comes around and gives the final death blow to the industry.
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Old 08-17-2021 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Voski
Contract talks don't open for another year, plenty of time to become profitable in the interim. That is, unless the COVID Mu or Omega variant comes around and gives the final death blow to the industry.
yeah that’s a good point. I was just assuming it would be hard to put a number down until we know how much they are profitable by.
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Old 08-17-2021 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
Hey don’t we need Spirit to be profitable first before we think about contract negotiations? Unless we are negotiating a pay cut??
no, we don't.
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Old 08-17-2021 | 02:34 PM
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Sorry I don’t negotiate the cost of my services based on whether or not a transient management team can run the company well

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Old 08-17-2021 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
Hey don’t we need Spirit to be profitable first before we think about contract negotiations? Unless we are negotiating a pay cut??
Gawd no. I think you would be amazed at how much discretion accountants have in what years they take expenses and revenues, how they depreciate assets, etc. They could easily cook the books - quite legally - to show a paperwork loss for any given year that you wanted to amend the CBA. Maybe they couldn’t keep it up forever, but a few years wouldn’t be that difficult.
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Old 08-17-2021 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
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Lol, so how are they going to afford to pay you the big bucks if they are losing money?

are they just going to start printing their own money?
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Old 08-17-2021 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
Lol, so how are they going to afford to pay you the big bucks if they are losing money?

are they just going to start printing their own money?
How does American do it?
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Old 08-17-2021 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Gawd no. I think you would be amazed at how much discretion accountants have in what years they take expenses and revenues, how they depreciate assets, etc. They could easily cook the books - quite legally - to show a paperwork loss for any given year that you wanted to amend the CBA. Maybe they couldn’t keep it up forever, but a few years wouldn’t be that difficult.
Bingo. This is EXACTLY what we (management) legitimately just did a few Weeks ago in Q2. All in all we actually made about $90 million. But we “Lost” $200 million and change.
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Old 08-17-2021 | 03:19 PM
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How does American do it?
American gives there pilots pay raises when they are bleeding money? News to me.
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