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Dukeuno 05-11-2017 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by KeroseneCowboy (Post 2361875)
I was in training with J.W., DTW CP. We had several discussions on how to improve the training program. He has some very good ideas. I think he would be extremely beneficial to the training department just from hanging out with him. He's a good guy. My Uncle worked with him at Eagle for two decades and has nothing but good things to say about him.

I flew with him about 2 months ago. He was a really nice guy. He is a very smart guy. He was basically in charge of switching Eagle from the old way of training to AQP. He will be an asset for our training department, especially if Spirit will let it get switched over to AQP.

FlyBoat 05-11-2017 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Bruno82 (Post 2361877)
What does the newhire training schedule look like?

1st 2 weeks of 10 hr days with 1 day off in between. Then 9 CSI (Systems Integration) with days off varying. Sched change quite a bit due to same reasons flights are cancelled, lack of instructors and big demand on schedule. 4 FTD and 4 Sims with a checkride.

Qotsaautopilot 05-11-2017 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 2361952)
I flew with him about 2 months ago. He was a really nice guy. He is a very smart guy. He was basically in charge of switching Eagle from the old way of training to AQP. He will be an asset for our training department, especially if Spirit will let it get switched over to AQP.

We had a guy hired to that. And have had some other people with great ideas come through the department. They are ultimately minimized and then let go. Here's to hoping this is different.

Bgood 05-11-2017 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by FlyBoat (Post 2361966)
1st 2 weeks of 10 hr days with 1 day off in between. Then 9 CSI (Systems Integration) with days off varying. Sched change quite a bit due to same reasons flights are cancelled, lack of instructors and big demand on schedule. 4 FTD and 4 Sims with a checkride.

After going through everything and getting to SIMs, is 4 sim session enough to say "you're signed off" or is there a little struggle till the last sim? Just curious

Super EZ E 05-11-2017 09:57 AM

The Company locks you out of CASS so you're NOT going home unless you live local!! You are not an employee till you pass OE!!!

Qotsaautopilot 05-11-2017 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2362010)
The Company locks you out of CASS so you're NOT going home unless you live local!! You are not an employee till you pass OE!!!

Technically you are an employee while in training because you can be terminated.

Skypilotsv1984 05-11-2017 10:11 AM

We were employees on day 1 although on training pay. We were in cass after the 1st week and several people took the risk and went home during a 3 day break. Doesn't mean it didn't suck and was the worst training I have been through. Maybe they changed it in the last few months.

Super EZ E 05-11-2017 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2362011)
Technically you are an employee while in training because you can be terminated.

You can't travel as an employee on Spirit, no insurance or benefits for 90 days. They don't enter you into CASS, they don't consider you an employee. You're in training and NOT actually an employee. :eek:

They may have changed it because they can't fill classes!!!

NavyFlyer 05-11-2017 01:50 PM

4 sims and then released to OE? No LOF, or line sim? Your poor Line Check Airman. That's stressful, especially given some of the airports you fly into.


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Flyondawall 05-11-2017 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by NavyFlyer (Post 2362180)
4 sims and then released to OE? No LOF, or line sim? Your poor Line Check Airman. That's stressful, especially given some of the airports you fly into.


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Poor line CKA's? How about poor line Capt's that have to do ojt all the time but don't get the instructor override.


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