You do 4 SIMS, and they take your Type Ride. After that you do a loft, then got to OE for 30hrs min.

You do get a LOFT, but it's pretty basic and just one event before pounding em' on with passengers aboard.

Agreed. That's not a lot of real world training for new guys/gals. Type ratings don't equate to safe -121 ops. Good luck when flying with new hires--they'll need your mentorship!

Best to y'all during contract negotiations. Fly safe, keep the blue side up, and try not to let tough negotiations talk enter the cockpit, thereby distracting you during important phases of flight. Cheers!


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Although going home is discouraged during training, this above statement is not true anymore, maybe in the past. I'm in 3rd week of training in CASS already. It has to do when they finish their background check. Some of us received an email that our backgrounds were complete and others have not.

I was in CASS a week after starting training and went home after the second week if memory serves.

If any training days are lost for any reason, power outage, illness, hurricane, then the lost training days are taken from any weekend days off so you'll do 6 or more continuous days of training, and may end up with a checkride or oral exam at the end of a 6 day work week with very early morning or very late night schedule.

If you request relief, the training department will say "all students whine, so stop whining", and if you press them, they'll say "when your instructor says you need to re-do any portion of training or are on the verge of failing, then we *might* consider taking away another of your days off so you can get another training event."

And then you get a sim with the hatchet and decide at least for a while that you might be better off at Mesa after all, a temporary sort of insanity but real nonetheless.

Quoted for truth. I got the hatchet for 4 CPTs/FTDs (2 of them solo) and 2 sims with a seat filler as a new hire. Good times...

Never heard of an initial type program with 4 Sims. Wonder how they got the Feds to sign on.

Pretty much the same as it was at my previous carrier. Best thing one can do is dig into the study packet once it arrives at your door.

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All true but if you're not an employee how is it guys get terminated? If you're just a contractor at that point they can't actually fire you and they actually do fire people and they have to carry that around.