Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2443942)

I think the training program is garbage and always has been. Experienced folks generally figured out how to get through it. It's also why spirit used to highly descriminate against 135 applicants that were used to training as a customer.

Now we hire many 135 pilots many with no degree so their opportunities elsewhere are limited. We also now hire many low time rj FOs that have only been through 121 initial at a regional where you get many sims and spoon fed systems. I wish we did that here but we don't. The 7-10yr FO has no problem and has been around long enough to make it work. We are hiring guys that came from a piston and went to an rj for a year or less. Many of the current applicants not only struggle through training but are somewhat more challenging to fly with. Some not all. They struggle with decision making because they haven't had many of the experiences applicants several years ago came in with as prerequisites.

The other problem which has no reflection on how they do their job or get through training is that some are so young that they have no skin in the game financially. No family, no mortgage, no college fund, no life insurance. Saying dumb crap like YOLO. No concept of what a good professional living is. I know I didn't at 24.

Some of the young guys fly great but some have no business flying a jet with 200 people in the back.

Originally Posted by Bruno82 (Post 2443970)

Can anyone provide an outline of what the training regime looks like from indoc to IOE?

Originally Posted by CRJoperator (Post 2444071)

Imagine a freshly squeezed turd... still steaming! I don't work as Spirit but from I've read/heard it sounds like 💩

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2444097)

Yeah because you're a new regional FO so you have all the answers.

Originally Posted by CRJoperator (Post 2444125)

Don't be upset and try again..

Originally Posted by TheDudeabide (Post 2444191)

You’ll spend your first week with someone brought in from an Aviation college trying to teach you about something he/she knows nothing about because they’ve never worked outside of a little instruction in piston airplanes. It’s a blur of slides as fast as they can go and no answers given to questions. Next is a week of half class/half procedures trainer. Could be a line pilot, or a retired person. Results will vary on this phase. Prepare to learn flows that don’t flow, and pressure to mount for the oral. No one has taught you the stuff on the oral yet. Then systems integration starts. Instruction starts here. It’s supposed to teach systems, but in reality you’re still learning these jacked up flows, calls and trying to shoot approaches in a touchscreen trainer. Now the Oral. If you pass that, SIMS. You get a whopping 4 sims in a plane that really doesn’t fly like anything you’ve ever flown. Next is the checkride. Then a LOFT. All together it’s 6 weeks. Don’t expect to go home during. Don’t expect anyone to care. Even the examiners and instructors say it’s 10 pounds of crap stuffed into a 5 pound bucket. IOE is actually pretty good. Those folks try to piece together the mess from training for you. Then once on line, all these Captain’s have “their” own way of doing everything, so forget what you may or may not have learned

Originally Posted by TheDudeabide (Post 2444191)

You’ll spend your first week with someone brought in from an Aviation college trying to teach you about something he/she knows nothing about because they’ve never worked outside of a little instruction in piston airplanes. It’s a blur of slides as fast as they can go and no answers given to questions. Next is a week of half class/half procedures trainer. Could be a line pilot, or a retired person. Results will vary on this phase. Prepare to learn flows that don’t flow, and pressure to mount for the oral. No one has taught you the stuff on the oral yet. Then systems integration starts. Instruction starts here. It’s supposed to teach systems, but in reality you’re still learning these jacked up flows, calls and trying to shoot approaches in a touchscreen trainer. Now the Oral. If you pass that, SIMS. You get a whopping 4 sims in a plane that really doesn’t fly like anything you’ve ever flown. Next is the checkride. Then a LOFT. All together it’s 6 weeks. Don’t expect to go home during. Don’t expect anyone to care. Even the examiners and instructors say it’s 10 pounds of crap stuffed into a 5 pound bucket. IOE is actually pretty good. Those folks try to piece together the mess from training for you. Then once on line, all these Captain’s have “their” own way of doing everything, so forget what you may or may not have learned