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Skypilotsv1984 10-10-2017 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Mozekian (Post 2444246)
Honestly, you sound like you’re blaming everyone else and maybe your training issues are more a reflection of your attitude you brought in.

“Captains have their own way of doing things.” Haha. Welcome to the airlines. And for what it’s worth, I’ve found Spirit CAs to be pretty consistent from one to the next and standardization is actually pretty good here. Sure, some CAs have their own techniques and methods they like, it’s how every 121 airline is. You expect the CAs at AA and DL to be different?

The oral is literally a handout with a majority of the questions written down for you. There is a published oral study guide, limitations and memory items. How do people fail this IF they actually prepare?

And as others have said, they tell you to know flows before training. Doesn’t “flow,” oh well. Cooperate and graduate. Those are the same flows we all learned.

Personal responsibility goes a long way

This ^^^

It's a big boy course that requires you to put effort in. If you think it's going to be like a regional where they spoonfeed you, you will struggle. You have to want it, and it requires a lot of studying when you get back from class. This is not a training program where you can go out drinking every night after class

CRJoperator 10-10-2017 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2444169)
No your posts say it all. You have no experience but you try to act like you know how the world works. I get it through, you fly for a regional so you must be gods gift to the aviation world. It's cool man, yolo and all.........

Also some of your posts are about TSA-PSA but most are about Spirit and you don't even work there. What a little B/t(h you are....

Aww do you kiss your mommy with those lips? Easy to sit behind a keyboard and call someone a "little b%*^+". Did I hurt your feeling by calling your training department POOP? Aww don't be upset little man, it will all be okay.

Flying101 10-10-2017 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2444169)
No your posts say it all. You have no experience but you try to act like you know how the world works. I get it through, you fly for a regional so you must be gods gift to the aviation world. It's cool man, yolo and all.........

Also some of your posts are about TSA-PSA but most are about Spirit and you don't even work there. What a little B/t(h you are....

Relax bro.

TheDudeabide 10-10-2017 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Mozekian (Post 2444246)
Honestly, you sound like you’re blaming everyone else and maybe your training issues are more a reflection of your attitude you brought in.

“Captains have their own way of doing things.” Haha. Welcome to the airlines. And for what it’s worth, I’ve found Spirit CAs to be pretty consistent from one to the next and standardization is actually pretty good here. Sure, some CAs have their own techniques and methods they like, it’s how every 121 airline is. You expect the CAs at AA and DL to be different?

The oral is literally a handout with a majority of the questions written down for you. There is a published oral study guide, limitations and memory items. How do people fail this IF they actually prepare?

And as others have said, they tell you to know flows before training. Doesn’t “flow,” oh well. Cooperate and graduate. Those are the same flows we all learned.

Personal responsibility goes a long way

Honestly, you sound like one of the lame @22 “training” department people. Why not just do it like Compass and have new hires do it online at home and eliminate the instructors that don’t instruct

Flying101 10-10-2017 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by CRJoperator (Post 2444360)
Aww do you kiss your mommy with those lips? Easy to sit behind a keyboard and call someone a "little b%*^+". Did I hurt your feeling by calling your training department POOP? Aww don't be upset little man, it will all be okay.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist (which you're obviously not) to figure out where I work.

Don't waste your breath arguing with him. He knows the training is below par.

Mozekian 10-10-2017 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by TheDudeabide (Post 2444370)
Honestly, you sound like one of the lame @22 “training” department people. Why not just do it like Compass and have new hires do it online at home and eliminate the instructors that don’t instruct

There is that responsibility I was talking about. This definetly isn’t a spoon fed course so best of luck finding one as you continue your career.

Bruno82 10-10-2017 09:14 AM

Thank you for the responses.

FlyingOkra 10-10-2017 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Bruno82 (Post 2443970)
Can anyone provide an outline of what the training regime looks like from indoc to IOE?

No AQP at Spirit.

Indoc
Systems mixed into CBT/FTD events
Oral Exam
4 Sims
Type Ride from the Left Seat

AllOva736 10-10-2017 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2444372)
Don't waste your breath arguing with him. He knows the training is below par.

Yeah you're right, I do know it and I also need to relax a little. it just bugs me when people who are fresh to the industry try to act like we are trash compared to their sweet RJ training. The training may be crap at Spirit but that's the weak ones don't make it.

Dukeuno 10-10-2017 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by TheDudeabide (Post 2444370)
Honestly, you sound like one of the lame @22 “training” department people. Why not just do it like Compass and have new hires do it online at home and eliminate the instructors that don’t instruct

You do realize the Delta has you go to basic INDOC, and then they send you home to learn the systems of the AC you were awarded on CBTs. I don't know how people don't know their flows by the time they come to class, hell they even send an email telling you when you get the job offer " Know your Flows". I really didn't think the training was that hard. It was time consuming, but not over board. Yes it would be nice to have a few more SIMs. As far as the CAs here, everyone I have flow with has been awesome. They are all professional. Maybe you should look in the mirror to see the problem. Take some accountability.


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