Originally Posted by ovrtake92

The difference that you're not understanding is that the Delta thing was union sanctioned if I read it correctly. I think that makes a big difference. Maybe not.

Originally Posted by Trowserchilli

Yes they can. It's already been done.
If the amount of open time being covered by folks on days off has significantly changed from prior to negotiations they sure can. In addition if it's causing the company financial duress today they can.
It's not suing one individual for not working on a day off.
The suit goes against the entire group.

I posted the link to the DAL suit against the pilots.
Here's a copy of a portion of the findings.

"(4) There has been a substantial reduction in overtime requests since August of 2000. This reduction dramatically increased throughout November and the first days of December, 2000. The reduction has resulted in the cancellation of hundreds of flights which has seriously inconvenienced tens of thousands of passengers. When compared to the requests for overtime during the same months of 1999, the statistics differ so substantially that the difference can only be explained by the efforts of an undisclosed number of pilots to undermine contract negotiations, seeking leverage for a salary increase.

(5) An undisclosed number of pilots are actively encouraging, through e-mail and other means, the rejection of overtime opportunities. This "no-overtime" campaign has primarily been effectuated through e-mails, many of which rise to the level of intimidation and harassment. These communications include messages encouraging pilots not to respond to phone calls from Delta regarding inverse assignments. Not answering these calls effectively forecloses Delta's ability to staff the flights that are normally staffed by the pilots electing to fly overtime but are suddenly electing not to.

(6) This reduction in requests for over-time is causing harm to Delta and the traveling public. Delta has lost millions of dollars in revenues, rerouting expenses, extra operating costs, and overnight hotel and meal vouchers. Additionally, Delta has suffered loss in the form of good will and traffic which is immeasurable. The public has suffered loss in time and money from the delays and cancellations which is also immeasurable.

(7) Neither the Union leadership nor the present Delta Master Executive Council ("MEC") of ALPA supports this effort and both have, in fact, counseled against it. The Delta MEC serves as ALPA's coordinating council for Delta pilots. Pilots at pilot bases are represented through ALPA Local Executive Councils ("LECs"), whose elected representatives constitute the Delta MEC."

Originally Posted by ovrtake92

The difference that you're not understanding is that the Delta thing was union sanctioned if I read it correctly. I think that makes a big difference. Maybe not.

Originally Posted by Trowserchilli

Did you read my post?

Here's one section of the findings I posted which clearly illustrates the union did not support it nor was it backed by the union.

"(7) Neither the Union leadership nor the present Delta Master Executive Council ("MEC") of ALPA supports this effort and both have, in fact, counseled against it. The Delta MEC serves as ALPA's coordinating council for Delta pilots. Pilots at pilot bases are represented through ALPA Local Executive Councils ("LECs"), whose elected representatives constitute the Delta MEC."

Originally Posted by AldiAirbus

54 cancellations so far today via flightaware. Does the company have a good argument for a lawsuit? Sure, but a lawsuit would just push the aggression to the company that much farther resulting in fueling the fire and.....more cancelled flights costing them more money in the long run.
Bring on the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Trowserchilli

If they sue the first thing they'll ask for is an injunction. Which has worked against United, AA, DAL and others. The injunction will demand everyone stop whatever actions are taking place.
They may also sue. AA sued the pilots and were awarded 45 million.
That's not what was paid, but was awarded.

My only dog in the fight is hoping you guys get a stellar contract.
Nobody needs negotiations to be stalled via an uneeded law suit.
Good luck.

Originally Posted by Car Ramrod

Yeah be careful out there guys... otherwise you may end up like Delta.