Your wrong. It's been proven over and over in court.

Read on:

US Airways Wins Preliminary Injunction Against Pilots in Slowdown Fight - Random Segments

 

Aaaand we've received nothing like that from the union. Actually, the email today was the opposite. So not answering your phone on your days off because you want to enjoy your days off is totally different in this case.

 

You're wrong. Those issues were originally sanctioned by USAPA. Nothing of the sort is happening here. There is no safety slowdown or anything of the sort.

Pilots can not be forced to work on days off. If management is having trouble covering flights, guess the they should hire/ upgrade more pilots.

Why would anyone want to work more than required for 50% of industry standard pay? My time at home with my family, is far more valuable than 50% of industry standard compensation.

 

Thanks for posting that. I read it to understand that our union is doing everything right down to the letter. Very different situation than ours for sure.

 

As of right now 40 cancelled flights today.

 

While I personally agree with you, legal precedence is not so black and white. Delta sued the Union/Pilot group around 2000 when we stopped picking up open time. The company said it was an illegal change to the status quo under the RLA.

If I remember correctly the Pilots and DALPA initially won in court, but the the company appealed the case and won on appeal. So I don't think its a slam dunk for either the company or the Pilots but the standing precedent may be negative for Pilots.

And be warned that 49 individual Pilots were named as defendants partly because they left a paper/electronic trail. Its not fun to answer your door, be served, and find yourself on the wrong end of a lawsuit with your employer.

I personally think that if Pilots choose not to fly overtime that is their own choice but when it changes "noticeably and substantially" you are in Status-quo land.

My advice to you guys is follow the advice of your union. The free market forces are clearly on your side - don't blow it.

Good luck!

Scoop

 

Thank you Scoop

 

That's all I was trying to convey.
Another benchmark for a suit is if the company can prove financial duress over canceled flights. That was in the Delta suit.
Delta Air Lines, Inc. v. Air Line Pilots Ass'n, Intern., 123 F. Supp. 2d 1356 (N.D. Ga. 2000) :: Justia

Good luck. I hope you guys get a great contract.

 

So for arguments sake what would happen? Make JAs mandatory? Good luck getting a hold of me. The milk has already been soured and there's no way they can force us to work or answer our phones on days off, temper tantrum, hold breath stomp feet file lawsuit, my day off is my day off.

 

I sincerely appreciate all non Spirit pilots posting information here, and I am thankful for your comradery.

Although I do not recommend any "illegal" action nor intimidating pilots from working overtime, we have to agree that the company is taking notice.
The union email was well written and covered that end.

Miss-management is simply unwilling to realise that the time has come, when pilots have just had enough and are not willing to help, like they did in the past.

This company has been used to receiving an enormous amount of help from it's pilots, to the point that it became a crutch.
Now they are entering a new reality of actually running an operation, without constantly getting bailed out by their employees...
My grandma taught me a long time ago:
"you reap what you sow"