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Originally Posted by ecam
(Post 2367476)
No, not a management troll. Pilot for another airline (non alpa) that wants to see you guys win. They are welcome to try and come after me, lol.
But thanks for the baseless attack… :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by deadseal
(Post 2367593)
I have to say I don't understand how a judge can even touch this. It should be the company's job to staff an airline with reserves.
Hold strong dudes. You're winning. Any money lost now will be returned with a solid contract over time. I don't work for spirit so any lawyer reading this can lmb |
Want to know for sure how the month is going to go? Watch insider stock trade volume a few days before the month starts. Open lines 24 hrs prior is probably a decent indication of how its gonna go.
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Originally Posted by Stratoclimber
(Post 2367341)
IAJETCAPT, do you really think they'll have the same cancellation problem at the start of June? what would make that happen other than an intentional work slowage by the pilots?
Paper Line Bidding is completely different than the Preferential Bidding Systems (PBS) that most Regionals run. Pre-constructed Line bids have a tendency to create isssues in consecutive months due to legalities and other contractual requirements. FedEx and Alaska run Regular Line Bidding without any of the problems that Spirit encounters because: A) They staff their Airlines more adequately. B) They pay their pilots respectable wages that incentivize them to pickup flying where Transition Conflicts create additional days off. |
Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
(Post 2367803)
This guy likely doesn't understand Line Bidding, Transition Conflicts, and how Spirit runs a thin staffing model extremely dependent on Pilots constantly picking up the operation and carrying it on their backs.
Paper Line Bidding is completely different than the Preferential Bidding Systems (PBS) that most Regionals run. Line bids have a tendency to create isssues in consecutive months due to legalities and other contractual requirements. FedEx and Alaska run Regular Line Bidding without any of the problems that Spirit encounters because: A) They staff their Airlines more adequately. B) They pay their pilots respectable wages that incentivize them to pickup flying where Transition Conflicts create additional days off. |
Guys let's be careful not to undermine the NC on here. What happens at spirit is not a line bidding in general or problem with how spirit pilots line bid. This is simply a case of the company not knowing how to properly staff and recruit pilots. Their staffing issues will disappear when they make it attractive for quality pilots that can make it through training to want to come here. The solution is simple and it's not how we bid or how anyone else bids. Let's let the NC do their job.
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Noting that the schedule increased significantly April 27th and will again May 25th probably has nothing to do with anything...
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Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
(Post 2367803)
This guy likely doesn't understand Line Bidding, Transition Conflicts, and how Spirit runs a thin staffing model extremely dependent on Pilots constantly picking up the operation and carrying it on their backs.
Paper Line Bidding is completely different than the Preferential Bidding Systems (PBS) that most Regionals run. Pre-constructed Line bids have a tendency to create isssues in consecutive months due to legalities and other contractual requirements. FedEx and Alaska run Regular Line Bidding without any of the problems that Spirit encounters bairecause: A) They staff their Airlines more adequately. B) They pay their pilots respectable wages that incentivize them to pickup flying where Transition Conflicts create additional days off. So my understanding now is that Spirit runs a Paper Line Bidding system that, when pilots are thinly staffed and poorly paid, can readily lead to significant open time that is hard, if not impossible, to fill. As a result of this set-up and the schedule increase NK Bumble Bee noted for May 25th, is it reasonable to expect another wave of cancellations coming at the end of this month or start of June? Or is it more likely that more proactive management, coupled with the TRO and encouragement from the union, will prevent another wave of cancellations? |
Originally Posted by Stratoclimber
(Post 2367932)
FlyingOkra, thanks for your post. Yes, I didn't understand the different in the bidding systems
So my understanding now is that Spirit runs a Paper Line Bidding system that, when pilots are thinly staffed and poorly paid, can readily lead to significant open time that is hard, if not impossible, to fill. As a result of this set-up and the schedule increase NK Bumble Bee noted for May 25th, is it reasonable to expect another wave of cancellations coming at the end of this month or start of June? Or is it more likely that more proactive management, coupled with the TRO and encouragement from the union, will prevent another wave of cancellations? Definitely a trap. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Stratoclimber
(Post 2367932)
FlyingOkra, thanks for your post. Yes, I didn't understand the different in the bidding systems
So my understanding now is that Spirit runs a Paper Line Bidding system that, when pilots are thinly staffed and poorly paid, can readily lead to significant open time that is hard, if not impossible, to fill. As a result of this set-up and the schedule increase NK Bumble Bee noted for May 25th, is it reasonable to expect another wave of cancellations coming at the end of this month or start of June? Or is it more likely that more proactive management, coupled with the TRO and encouragement from the union, will prevent another wave of cancellations? Go away... |
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