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Nothing I say nor do will lower the expection of your pilot group. You clearly see that with all the Spirit pilots' postings right? Nor is that my intent. Not that anything anyone says on a online forum matters anyhow. I just enjoy chatting about predictions on the outcome. Your group, from what I can tell, is so galvanized that it will vote down anything but legacy rates, retirement ...etc good on you

In my opinion, as long as the nmb doesn't conclude that the company is unfairly forcing you guys to work for an unreasonably low market rate, they simply will not allow a strike no matter how long this drags on. I have a hard time seeing them allowing it, especially if Spirit offers a blended of Allegiant, Frontier, JetBlue..etc rates, which in itself is probably a substantial raise.

If you're allowed to strike GREAT ON YA, go get that $$$. I simply don't see that happening. If nothing terrible happens, in 10 years, Legacy NB CA could have rates of $350/hr and JetBlue at $310/hr. You'll still be topped out at ~$190 while refusing the company's offer of $315/hr because it's not "industry standard"

But hey, that retro check will be huuuuge.

Oh, and every month without a contract, you're the one doing the industry a disservice by being the biggest anchor of all the ships.

Who's to say this isn't management's plan to begin with?

 

Frontier and jet blue are in negotiations for a new contract and frontier is on a bankruptcy restructured contract. If their rates are used to "blend" then this thing is DOA with the spirit group and probably won't even get to a TA.

Also allegiant's contract is by far the worst of the recent contracts approved, that pilot group was desperate for raises and approved it the first chance they got. I'm pretty sure You won't see that happen at spirit.






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But that blend will still be a "substantial" raise, dude!!!

 

This idiot has to be some type of management troll. I think its time for everyone to stop responding to him or her, and put him on your ignore list.

 

Agree

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Yes it will. Another testament of how we much we currently DONT make compared to what we should. 100% RETRO!!

 

I was talking to a Spirit guy on my jumpseat recently and we were discussing your 15-year longevity pay scale and Frontier's 14-year scale.

I don't want to get into the genesis of your 15-year scale or Frontier's scale. But since our airlines are the outliers in an otherwise 12-year longevity scale standard; do you know if your MEC is hard set on standardizing your longevity?

It seems like a logical last minute grab by our scumbag management groups to propose another 15, 16, 17 year longevity scale. Maybe it's a moot point, I don't know if ALPA would let that fly.

 

Feng, you use reasonable logic, so let's use some logic here...After a TA is reached, and a new payscale is put in place. What is the airline obligated to do under RLA obligation for those employees that worked under an expired contract? Retroactive pay (as it relates to the new payscale). Who would have to pay? The company. So why do you thinks it's pilot's that are the only party concerned about the paying out of lump sums of money? Spirit WILL have to pay the difference and though it may be subject to a payment plan, it will cost the airline-so it is a planned expense that is being taken into account. Why would you think otherwise?


1) You misunderstand, the term ULCC is slang. The term budget carrier/ULCC/LCC etc have always related to the customer's purchasing power. Southwest airlines was the first 'low cost carrier'...but have they operated their business around your alleged core principal of "low labor cost"? Perspective; Retail shops like the Dollar Tree& The dollar store are budget suppliers that cater to consumers with optional or decreased buying power...does that mean they pay their employees less than minimum wage or less than a comparable convenience store employee? Of course not. The flaw in your logic may be that you haven't realized that historical FACT.

2) Don't infantilize yourself by mentioning how little you could care less about this outcome. It's inflammatory (which you have every right to be), but more importantly, it negates the point you've tried to make. Are you an adult pilot? Do you fly for a living? If so this outcome will affect you. Regardless of the outcome, this NMB will set a precedent for future labor disputes (the same way past NMB's have set legal precedent). What is truly asinine is that you have come to a forum that is filled with uncertainty and you try to make a point with sarcasm and cynicism. Do you realize that? Guys telling you to go away are no match to the self-inflicted negation of your own attitude. Really is weird.


Once again, you are completely wrong in this sentiment. It is void of any historical fact. First off, not every industry falls under the provision of the RLA. A coal miner's labor dispute isn't an RLA labor dispute. Additionally, just because a past TA included wording for a release of liability of a retro check, does not mean retroactive pay isn't dispensed. The TA will address this issue in addition to the NMB prior to the TA. Secondly, where are you getting your information from? It definitely seems that you are making your reply up out of thin air. "The amounts were small"-no, lump sum checks of thousands of dollars are pretty normal. To quote Walter Sobchak, "you're out of your element".


Yeah here we go, you are clearly just pulling this stuff out your ground-hole. The RLA has established a timeline. It isn't upto the NMB to determine if a strike is allowed or not. They just report to the President what the labor situation is and their findings to prevent a disservice to the American people. The labor group will be allowed to strike so long as it respects the timeline of the RLA. I highly suggest you read...anything...just read anything, because the thought of you being a functional and coherent adult pilot (even at COMM/CFI level) is concerning. "Good moral character" suggests support of a fellow pilot group from jump-seating to NMBs.So why troll pilots that are going through a rough patch under the guise of offering an opinion? Dumb, plain old dumb. If I didn't know any better, I'd say your content suggests your a jealous flight attendant.

Damn the fight is on!

 

Negotiating down to 12.

 

Thanks. Good to hear!