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SourGrapes 09-11-2017 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 2428680)
When the company starts going around the union and appealing directly to the employees,........ you've won.

Don't blow it.

you mean winning like the northwest mechanics? then yes

gatorbird 09-11-2017 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2428772)
you mean winning like the northwest mechanics? then yes

He broke them SG. We're far from broken. Or did you miss the part about 100% strike authorization from 97% of eligible voters, a direct vote of support for our NC?

SourGrapes 09-11-2017 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by FML666 (Post 2428686)
I had a good experience with PBS overall at my last job but I think we were definitely an exception to the rule. I'm not opposed to the idea of PBS but at my seniority and based on what I've been able to work out with creative bidding over the past 3 months I figure I'd need at least a $20/hour raise with it just to match what I make now. Factoring that into the equation "industry standard" would have to also include DL/UA/AA rates to offset the loss of line bidding for me.

listen, just gonna say it once. no matter how good the pbs language is written, it will be followed. it will be years of arbitration before it is enforced. fly it and grieve it, that's alpa's mantra. you have to realize that.....tell your friends....ask the old timers how long it took to enforce the transition language of the current contract.

SourGrapes 09-11-2017 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbird (Post 2428774)
He broke them SG. We're far from broken. Or did you miss the part about 100% strike authorization from 97% of eligible voters, a direct vote of support for our NC?

yes, and in a few years i will proudly walk the line

gatorbird 09-11-2017 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2428776)
yes, and in a few years i will proudly walk the line

I understand the frustration and am right there with you. But don't come on a public forum and lend to the notion that Bendo is breaking our union, because nothing could be further from the truth.

SourGrapes 09-11-2017 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbird (Post 2428788)
I understand the frustration and am right there with you. But don't come on a public forum and lend to the notion that Bendo is breaking our union, because nothing could be further from the truth.

why, is there a private forum i can join???

gatorbird 09-11-2017 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2428800)
why, is there a private forum i can join???

Geez dude, you're like talking to a nutty Brazilian girlfriend.

FML666 09-11-2017 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2428775)
listen, just gonna say it once. no matter how good the pbs language is written, it will be followed. it will be years of arbitration before it is enforced. fly it and grieve it, that's alpa's mantra. you have to realize that.....tell your friends....ask the old timers how long it took to enforce the transition language of the current contract.

"no matter how good the pbs language is written, it will be followed."


Say again?


I'm not advocating for PBS here. Quite the contrary. I said I'd want to see legacy rates before I'd even consider it because PBS would cost me the equivalent of about $20 per hour in lost credit.

JetBlue/Allegiant rates + PBS = Hard no. I trust our NC to keep that in mind and will be sure to remind them if they happen to forget.

livetofly2123 09-11-2017 03:40 PM

You sir are wrong.
 

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2428425)
This is very true, not just because of the past with TSA and Gojet but the people they have been hiring. I know first hand that gojet had guys in training that took 3 sims ( 6 hours ) just to get off of the gate in the sim and by that point at Spirit you are doing V1 cuts in BOG. That's the one thing I like about the training at NK, it is junk but weak pilots don't make it through so we have a good mix of capable people on the line.

Ok so I had to chime in here. There is not a single Regional airline that you will go to that will not have guys struggling there first couple of sims. Its simple these are or at least should be guys with zero jet experience. Spirit on the other hand should be guys that have jet time that should be qualified enough to make it through a training event.

Furthermore, I would like to say GoJet only gets 3 sims when you upgrade. There are and will always be people that pass and fail when going to Captain and in case you didn't know when doing initial at Spirit.

Do not try to look down upon individuals at GoJet because you believe inexperience at a regional is at only one regional because your wrong.

Also I understand there is bad blood between GoJet and TSA, but to act like people that came here 5-10 years later should be blamed, I do not agree. There are other regional airlines have taken concessions not just GoJet.



On a side note guys I am really happy to see yal sticking it out until you can get a contract. I was hoping to join your team in the future. Good luck and get what you deserve.

SourGrapes 09-11-2017 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by FML666 (Post 2428822)
"no matter how good the pbs language is written, it will be followed."


Say again?


I'm not advocating for PBS here. Quite the contrary. I said I'd want to see legacy rates before I'd even consider it because PBS would cost me the equivalent of about $20 per hour in lost credit.

JetBlue/Allegiant rates + PBS = Hard no. I trust our NC to keep that in mind and will be sure to remind them if they happen to forget.

i give up/////


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