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Tool 02-18-2018 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by fly20201 (Post 2531828)
Doctor money? You think $180,000 is doctor money? You really live up to your name! FYI, every captain will make Legacy FO money.

Most doctors minus surgeons make 200k/yr or less.

Lawyers on average make even less than that.

We all wanted more money but as was said in the road show ( which I’m almost positive you did not attend or watch ) the NMB is only pushing for so much.

If you want DL’s contract I suggest you get off here and go to airline apps and get typing bro.

fly20201 02-18-2018 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Tool (Post 2531851)
Most doctors minus surgeons make 200k/yr or less.

Lawyers on average make even less than that.

We all wanted more money but as was said in the road show ( which I’m almost positive you did not attend or watch ) the NMB is only pushing for so much.

If you want DL’s contract I suggest you get off here and go to airline apps and get typing bro.

I did attend a timeshare presentation, and watched one online as well. I don't care what they say about the NMB. Eventually this company needs a deal and will come to the table, NMB or not. I know they said the company has not ever agreed to meet without the NMB, but it's only a matter of time. I'm not a scared little p@ssy, I can wait! As a Captain, if this thing passes I will most certainly up my efforts to leave. I don't want any part of such embarassment. I was holding out to see a TA, but I have seen it now and NO THANKS! Anyone under 40 will most definitely make more money if they start over elsewhere, Captain or not.

Happy Grapes 02-18-2018 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by minibus (Post 2531741)
If I were you I would definitely vote NO. For one thing, you first negotiated scope clause should read: ALL flying performed by NK, etc must be flown by pilots on the NK seniority list. You are already allowing a carve out! Why? Have you not been paying attention on whats been going on around you for the last 30+ years? Your pay rates are mediocre, PBS comes way too cheap. Some of you proposed scheduling sounds draconian. You can do MUCH MUCH better. It just takes a modicum of courage. Something that has been rare in this business for decades..Make us proud!

Signed,

An AA pilot who has sold scope over the last 30 years to 7 different regional carriers at this point in time

Dukeuno 02-18-2018 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by fly20201 (Post 2531865)
I did attend a timeshare presentation, and watched one online as well. I don't care what they say about the NMB. Eventually this company needs a deal and will come to the table, NMB or not. I know they said the company has not ever agreed to meet without the NMB, but it's only a matter of time. I'm not a scared little p@ssy, I can wait! As a Captain, if this thing passes I will most certainly up my efforts to leave. I don't want any part of such embarassment. I was holding out to see a TA, but I have seen it now and NO THANKS! Anyone under 40 will most definitely make more money if they start over elsewhere, Captain or not.

Why wait for this thing to pass or fail to get your apps out? If I was you I would start working on it tonight. It will take years for Spirit to make Delta rates. Time to face reality.

Happy Grapes 02-18-2018 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by fly20201 (Post 2531865)
I did attend a timeshare presentation, and watched one online as well. I don't care what they say about the NMB. Eventually this company needs a deal and will come to the table, NMB or not. I know they said the company has not ever agreed to meet without the NMB, but it's only a matter of time. I'm not a scared little p@ssy, I can wait! As a Captain, if this thing passes I will most certainly up my efforts to leave. I don't want any part of such embarassment. I was holding out to see a TA, but I have seen it now and NO THANKS! Anyone under 40 will most definitely make more money if they start over elsewhere, Captain or not.

Haha

Bad news coming for you in 10 days...

Reminds me of “if Bush gets elected, I’m moving to Europe”....18 years later, those same people are still in the USA

This passes and you are not going anywhere.

“Most definetly make more money somewhere else” is a fools statement and anyone thinking they can foretell the next 25 years in the industry is simply a fool.

Squeaky banana 02-18-2018 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Happy Grapes (Post 2531881)
Signed,

An AA pilot who has sold scope over the last 30 years to 7 different regional carriers at this point in time

And probably gives regional jumpseaters a hard time because they ruined the industry... You sold it. You started this crap. We vote on what we get and will take the lashing knowing that the old timers that ***** about us younguns are the ones that sold everyone out. Have a good day sir...

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minibus 02-19-2018 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Happy Grapes (Post 2531881)
Signed,

An AA pilot who has sold scope over the last 30 years to 7 different regional carriers at this point in time

Correct. Now knowing our abject stupidity, why would you repeat that pattern? NK is making more money than they can hide, and most of you appear willing to sign off on a concessionary contract. Why? You think voting no will cause some kind of biblical event? At the end of the day, after all the fear grenades, it will simply trigger more negotiating and may result in a better deal.

dotslash 02-19-2018 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Squeaky banana (Post 2531961)
And probably gives regional jumpseaters a hard time because they ruined the industry... You sold it. You started this crap. We vote on what we get and will take the lashing knowing that the old timers that ***** about us younguns are the ones that sold everyone out. Have a good day sir...

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There you go champ.

vroll1800 02-19-2018 08:18 AM

Throughout the flood of posts, are there any that indicates when the voting begins and closes on this TA ?

otter1 02-19-2018 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by minibus (Post 2532131)
Correct. Now knowing our abject stupidity, why would you repeat that pattern? NK is making more money than they can hide, and most of you appear willing to sign off on a concessionary contract. Why? You think voting no will cause some kind of biblical event? At the end of the day, after all the fear grenades, it will simply trigger more negotiating and may result in a better deal.

It's getting annoying when pilots from other carriers come on here telling us how to vote. Have you been to a road show and seen all the facts, listened to the negotiators and what their decision process was, talked to the ALPA lawyers and asked questions? Have you lived under our current contract and compared the two? Of course not.

I would never have the arrogance to go to another major or legacy board and tell them how to vote, especially when there was no way to know about the new TA as well as someone who has access to all the facts.


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