The union would like you to believe that.......and it seems you bought into that BS.

Go read the thread about Ted Christie and that huge ass salary / annual pay raises.....

 

“...expensive, useless ...horrified by this deal”

This sentiment says a lot. I doubt your friend really went to a road show, or if he did I doubt he went in with an open mind.

 

“Senior CA” friend. Most likely upset about losing conflict and has nothing to do with the “scope” issues that this guy is telling us to hold out for.

And yes, calling a union lawyer “useless” when you’re on the side of labor is moronic, at best. That’s the same lawyer you’ll be calling when you make a mistake on the line and the company is gunning for your job. How “useless” are they then?

 

Well keyboard lawyer show me how the Union figures are wrong? All I think you have looked at was Section 3. There happens to be more to the TA than Section 3. So show me your Math how the Union is wrong with the 14 to 1 ratio?

 

The fact that you talked to a friend who's a senior captain here doesn't mean you know a lot about our TA and should tell us how to vote.

In fact you called this a concessionary contract in a previous post. This TA has over $920 million in gains opposed to $64 million in work rule give backs. About a 14 to 1 ratio. Do think ALPA and the NC and the MEC is lying to us? Do you have better numbers than the ALPA financial analyst? So with an average pay increase of 43%, a DC plan that we didn't have before, a much improved LTD plan, better rigs, and better scope, are you still saying it's concessionary?

I understand why some very senior here don't like the TA. The loss of transition conflict means they can't get either 4 or 6 days off in the next month pay-protected, setting themselves up for a junior assign on top of that. Problem is the majority can't get that deal.

 

I’ve never believed those numbers on any contract by any group. Why not just take $64 million from the pay rates and take out all concessions. The answer is the company will nevee go for it. Each side puts a cost on certain items. If you negotiate right, the other side underestimates the costs. I’m going to say ALPA is under-estimating that $64 million.

 

I respect a healthy measure of skepticism, so if ALPA is underestimating the $64 million, then by how much? And did you bring it up at the road show or with your rep or email the negotiating committee? What did they say?

 

BINGO!!!


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OK. By how much then?

 

Let me swallow the truth juice of mainline ohhh it feels so good on my tonsils


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