I agree..

I would never pop on the DAL or AA thread and say "I have not read your TA, and have no details of the TA, but vote No."

I guess using their logic ill say "Id much rather work under this TA at Spirit than the current AA contract. I hear it's the worst in work rules and hourly rates/retirement/profit sharing, lag those of their legacy counterparts." See, I can make assumptions too.

Doesn't our job require obtaining as much relevant information we can before making a decision?

 

Voting opens in 2 months and closes 4 months after that...

 

You never answered my question from the other thread “champ”. Or are you only good for trolling?

 

Well, kid, I don't give a flying Osiris how long it took other "Alpa" carriers. Why SWA doesn't count? They replaced mec/nc and got quick deal. You do not give me homework, I get to you on my time. Perhaps you need educated on recent airline history so you make good choice. Oh I forget, you are not bright enough to read and understand TA as written, you need NC to spoon feed and tell you how they felt during negotiations so you see how they got to this TA, so you understand why such high level of suck. End of day, when all feelings and explanations are done the actual words which is what really count still suck. I know, they worked really really hard.

 

Such a well thought out, clear and succinct view of the process.

"High level of suck"...what did you type into Google translator to get that phrase?

 

You smart guy, you get what I say. What process is it that you talk about? Process that says we should vote yes because "we did our best - vote no and good luck getting TA2"? Also, succinct - good word. I had to look up meaning and now I know. No road show required just internet dictionary.


Edit: I wondered what you guys were doing on laptops during roadshow. You good multitasker.

 

Oh. Please. It's an open forum. One of my best friends is one of your most senior captains. He has gone to the road shows, and talked to your expensive, useless ALPA lawyers. He is horrified by this deal. When it's our turn in the hot seat I would welcome any input from all pilots, regardless of carrier. The idea is to move forward. I walked the line with you last time and will happily do so again.

 

I think the contract will pass at around 70%. It is not the best contract, but it does have a lot of gains that are costing the company plenty. We gain some things. We lose some things. That is the nature of negotiations. Both sides have their "must have" and/or "must get rid of" parts of the contract. If we want to move to "industry standard", we must be willing to take the good with the bad. I think this TA is a good compromise. I think the hit on QOL is over-blown, but then again we have only talked the talk, and not walked the walk yet. Anticipation of the unknown is usually perceived as a negative. I really do believe that the MEC and NC have given it their all, and believe this is the best we are going to get at this time, without the risk of modifications that may not be favorable, and the loss of monetary gains over the time-frame of negotiating TA2. I am not a die-hard union guy, and I am not a company guy. I just want the best we can get, while still allowing Spirit to be a viable and profitable company for the long term. My $0.02.

 

Guilt brings out the worst in us all. We start attacking the past of everyone as a means to justify our crappy future. The difference here is they can change their future.

 

Where did you get it’s a concessionary contract? It’s a 14 to 1 ratio gain for us. So tell me how that is concessionary?